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pistolero
82 posts
Mar 02, 2011
2:08 PM
What key harp for the original version of Smokestack Lightning? I looked for some tabs but the ones I found are for the vocals not the harp parts.
The guy I'm taking lessons from is trying to teach me to learn to play by ear. This seems like a simple one and I'd like to play it so I figured to try to figure it out myself. Bb for a guess?

ETA; no it's lower but A nor G seem right either? I suck at this.

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Last Edited by on Mar 02, 2011 2:18 PM
Greyowlphotoart
498 posts
Mar 02, 2011
2:23 PM
I played along to this using a G harp.

EDIT to ADD. The 1st note he plays at 40secs is a 2 draw





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Last Edited by on Mar 02, 2011 2:25 PM
pistolero
83 posts
Mar 02, 2011
2:28 PM
Thanks for the info!


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It's MUSIC, not just complicated noise.
LeeEdwards
109 posts
Mar 02, 2011
2:32 PM
For the original version grab your A harp and play around with the notes contained in the E minor pentatonic scale.

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"You will never get every possible thing out of an instrument, but the instrument will get every possible thing out of you" - Ray Charles.

Last Edited by on Mar 02, 2011 2:35 PM
pistolero
84 posts
Mar 02, 2011
2:32 PM
Thanks for the info!


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It's MUSIC, not just complicated noise.
MJ
258 posts
Mar 02, 2011
2:32 PM
Howlin Wolf usually did this song in the Key of E using the A harp in 2nd position.
Greyowlphotoart
499 posts
Mar 02, 2011
2:38 PM
@MJ 'Howlin Wolf usually did this song in the Key of E using the A harp in 2nd position.'





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Blues13
90 posts
Mar 02, 2011
3:09 PM
I tried the original with my A harp and it souded real good.

Hey pistolero for a really good cover go to Adams youtube page and take a look a The New Delta Juke playing this song.

Martin
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Last Edited by on Mar 02, 2011 3:10 PM
MJ
259 posts
Mar 02, 2011
6:57 PM
@Greyowlphotoart I believe I said 'Usually"
His Best (Chess 1997) -5. Smokestack Lightning - E, A Harp (2nd Position)

Howlin’ Wolf Box Set - Disc 2 (Chess, 1955 – 1962)-2. Smokestack Lightnin' – E, A Harp (2nd Position)
The Real Folk Blues (Chess/MCA, 1995)-13. Smokestack Lightning [Mobile Fidelity Only] - E, A Harp (2nd Position)
I am sure he also performed the song in other keys at times. As your you tube video testifies to.
Actually I also prefer the key of D for the song. :)
Greyowlphotoart
500 posts
Mar 03, 2011
12:06 AM
@MJ Yep I know, I was merely adding the vid to illustrate your point and to give pistolero another source to play along to in a different key :)
kudzurunner
2359 posts
Mar 03, 2011
4:47 AM
I used an A harp in second position:

ZackPomerleau
1372 posts
Mar 03, 2011
5:05 AM
I noticed when I tried to play along I sounded out of tune. It's almost as if he played with so much power he played slightly out of tune. Which, would make sense as if I played harder if sounded better.
LeeEdwards
110 posts
Mar 03, 2011
5:48 AM
@MJ - I don't think Greyowl was disagreeing with what you said. It looks like he merely took your quote and then found the original cut so that people could hear and play along with that version with an A harp.

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"You will never get every possible thing out of an instrument, but the instrument will get every possible thing out of you" - Ray Charles.
MJ
260 posts
Mar 03, 2011
7:25 AM
:)
tmf714
520 posts
Mar 03, 2011
7:31 AM
Zack-it could be his harp-don't forget-all those Marine Bands were JI tuning back then-
barbequebob
1588 posts
Mar 03, 2011
9:50 AM
All diatonics back in the day were ALL tuned to 7 limit just intonation back then until 1974, when the Golden Melody came out as the first German made harp tuned to ET. 7LJI was used on all other Hohner models until 1985. If you're playing along with any of the stuff the old blues men did, here's where you'll want your harps tuned to 7LJI comes in and you'll notice the difference when chording. Playing harder won't make it sound better, but you'll have to work like hell to slow down the speed of the vibrato and that's THE biggest challenge in mastering Wolf's style.
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barbequebob
1589 posts
Mar 03, 2011
9:51 AM
All diatonics back in the day were ALL tuned to 7 limit just intonation back then until 1974, when the Golden Melody came out as the first German made harp tuned to ET. 7LJI was used on all other Hohner models until 1985. If you're playing along with any of the stuff the old blues men did, here's where you'll want your harps tuned to 7LJI comes in and you'll notice the difference when chording. Playing harder won't make it sound better, but you'll have to work like hell to slow down the speed of the vibrato and that's THE biggest challenge in mastering Wolf's style.
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Sincerely,
Barbeque Bob Maglinte
Boston, MA
http://www.barbequebob.com
CD available at http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/bbmaglinte
Diggsblues
734 posts
Mar 03, 2011
7:22 PM

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barbequebob
1592 posts
Mar 04, 2011
7:20 AM
The Wolf vibrato requires you to think more like an opera singer and play with a much more relaxed and very open throat and inside shape of your mouth, something most harp players DON'T do, and the hardest part is slowing the speed down, which will also drop the pitch a tad in the process and it took me over 2-1/2 months of non stop practice EVERY DAY to achieve this and also you have to learn to use your diaphragm for it as well, just like an opera singer.

Once you've got this, the James Cotton slow vibrato, which has many similarities to this will fall right into place and for both players, the slow, deep vibrato is a big trademark of their respective sounds.

Wolf is a classic example of the less is more approach.
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Sincerely,
Barbeque Bob Maglinte
Boston, MA
http://www.barbequebob.com
CD available at http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/bbmaglinte
Zadozica
31 posts
Mar 18, 2011
2:49 PM
Beginner riff is 6B 5D 6B 5D 4D 5D 4D


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