harmonicanick
1116 posts
Mar 09, 2011
2:59 PM
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Cruisin' through a jam, and suddenly the keyboards shouts Db!! next number, uh oh, no F# (is that the right symbol for F sharp??)
Then next tune,F minor, which I thought would be E in 3rd, WRONG, it's Eb
Oh well, sat out a couple, but must get memory sorted.
Someone in the audience said ' why diden't you play there' and I replied (white lied) ' you have to know when not to play if you can't enhance the tune' They smiled....
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MakaInOz
37 posts
Mar 09, 2011
3:05 PM
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Circle of fifths taped to the inside of the harp case.....
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MJ
264 posts
Mar 09, 2011
3:17 PM
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Print this up and carry it in your gig kit.
Last Edited by on Mar 09, 2011 3:19 PM
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Joe_L
1121 posts
Mar 09, 2011
3:23 PM
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Just memorize it and you don't have to worry about a chart.
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MJ
265 posts
Mar 09, 2011
3:28 PM
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Good advice Joe L
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eharp
1179 posts
Mar 09, 2011
4:41 PM
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call out the tunes and you dont have to memorize the chart!!
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HarpNinja
1190 posts
Mar 09, 2011
4:51 PM
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Line up your harps in the circle of 5ths and you can always just count up to the key you want. The keyboard player was a jerk for calling out unharpfriendly keys, lol.
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Mike
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas
Updated 2/24/11
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hvyj
1292 posts
Mar 09, 2011
5:02 PM
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Why would you consider F minor an "unharp friendly key"? you can get F minor on an Eb harp in 3rd position, a Db harp harp in 5th position or an Ab harp in 4th position. Take your pick.
Eb is a very useful harp to carry. It gives you Bb major in second position, G minor in fifth position and C minor in fourth position as well as F Dorian minor (or F major blues) in third position. The keys that are playable on an Eb harp get called regularly. I couldn't make it through a gig without an Eb harp. Never leave home without it.
Last Edited by on Mar 09, 2011 5:41 PM
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HarpNinja
1191 posts
Mar 09, 2011
7:17 PM
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I was kidding, hence the "lol".
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Mike
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas
Updated 2/24/11
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harpdude61
769 posts
Mar 10, 2011
2:57 AM
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Good chart but seems it would be better if song key were listed then which harp to use in the various positions for that key
Band key G...1st position G harp.....2nd position C harp.....3rd position F harp....5th position Eb harp....
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Jim Rumbaugh
437 posts
Mar 10, 2011
5:44 AM
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I little thing I came up with to rember that there is a half step between E & F and B & C
"You can't BEEEEEEEE sharp"
That reminds me that there is no B# nor E#. And just for you theory nerds, yes, E# is F and B# is C, but that's really for another thread, :)
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bluemoose
487 posts
Mar 10, 2011
12:38 PM
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Same thing happened to me last Tuesday, but it was another harp player I sometimes double up with. He wanted to a Ray Charles number in D-flat. Guitar players looked at him funny. I reached waaaaayyyy into the bottom of my case and pulled out my dusty D-flat and did sort of horn runs in first. Not much of a train wreak...but close.
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jackson
38 posts
Mar 10, 2011
4:08 PM
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Ok, I'm missing something here on the harp key chart above. In 2nd position, if the song's in A I'm playing a D harp?? Right? Am I reading it wrong or does that chart say it's E for 2nd position?
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Jim Rumbaugh
438 posts
Mar 10, 2011
4:17 PM
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@ Jackson The chart says If you have an A HARP in your hand, and you are playing 2nd position, you are PLAYING IN E.
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intermediate level (+) player per the Adam Gussow Scale, Started playing 2001
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jackson
39 posts
Mar 10, 2011
4:30 PM
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Well, guess that's what I missed. Thanks! Couldn't imagine I've been playing all this time without even a clue as to what I'm doing. Admittedly, most theory and much of y'all's discussions are over my head though.
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dougharps
49 posts
Mar 10, 2011
8:18 PM
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I agree with HarpNinja about laying out harps by the circle of 5ths. I did it that way at first to figure out cross harp and 3rd position key choices and before I knew it I had memorized the circle of 5ths.
Very useful for positions and also for figuring out sharps and flats in major keys and other things, like the chord names in I IV V songs.
Here is an enigma: when you read the circle of 5ths counter clockwise instead of clockwise it is a circle of 4ths!
Doug S.
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hvyj
1296 posts
Mar 11, 2011
4:53 AM
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Going around counterclockwise it is called the "Circle of Fourths."
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gene
696 posts
Mar 11, 2011
7:16 PM
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"Going around counterclockwise it is called the "Circle of Fourths."
I was wondering why, so I looked at it and figured it out. That dang circle gets more interesting all the time!
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