528hemi
208 posts
May 08, 2011
4:55 PM
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For those of you that played through both mics, can you please compare the 2?
Is 1 cleaner then the other? Which one will have more bass response?
Does one have better highs?
Thank You,
528hemi
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hvyj
1389 posts
May 08, 2011
5:43 PM
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Very different mics. SM57 is cleaner and smoother. Both have good bass response, but the SM57 may have a little more bass response than the RE-10. Both have good highs, but the highs on the SM57 are cleaner. Both are fat, and the Re-10 is especially fat in the midrange. RE-10 is edgier and somewhat dirtier with the treble being a little more jagged than the SM57.
Both are excellent harp mics. The RE-10 is easier to grip comfortably.
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Greg Heumann
1124 posts
May 08, 2011
10:26 PM
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HVJY's description of the tonal differences is right on the money. There are some who would argue about holding comfort. But an Ultimate 57 is way better for holding comfort than either - and includes a built in volume control. Just sayin'...... OK, just hinting.....
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/Greg
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hvyj
1390 posts
May 09, 2011
5:08 AM
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"But an Ultimate 57 is way better for holding comfort than either"
For a good many years i used a EV RE-15 as my primary mic for performance. The RE-15 is ergonomically very similar to the RE-10--a casual observer may not be able to tell them apart (different tonal characteristics, though). For the last couple of years or so, I've been using a 545 Ultimate as my primary mic for performance. No complaints. The shorter body and integral volume control are very nice features.
Tonally, I would describe a 545 as a lot like an SM 57 but with more texture and not quite as smooth as a 57. I think the 57 is probably a somewhat better mic than a 545, but, IMHO, a 545 sounds better for harp.
Last Edited by on May 09, 2011 5:19 AM
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toddlgreene
2965 posts
May 09, 2011
5:16 AM
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Good job on the sales pitch, Greg;-)
Seriously, Greg's Ultimate mics are super-comfy to hold and play with, since his design shortens and moves the center of gravity closer to the element end.
I like the RE-10 very much, but demand for it has pushed its price into outer space. If you can happen to find an EV-631B(dual impedence, set it to high), jump on it-sounds almost identical to the RE-10, but is even smaller and lighter. I also like the 'dirt' you can get from the EV mics. Between the 545 and the 57, I prefer the 545, especially if it's an older one.
Without one of Greg's Bulletizers, I don't like to play thru un-Heumannized 57s or 545s for prolonged periods-they just get uncomfortable. The RE10/631s have a small head that makes them easier to hold. You can easily wrap a pinky around it, or hold the mic 'prayer style', as I learned from Smoky Greenwell(between the heels of your palms, allowing you to use acoustic-style cupping effects).
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Todd
Last Edited by on May 09, 2011 5:20 AM
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hvyj
1391 posts
May 09, 2011
5:23 AM
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The EV 660 is also a very decent harp mic.
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ridge
255 posts
May 09, 2011
6:01 AM
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Yeah, hvyj, I posted about my EV PL-6 about 8 months ago and you gave it a shining endorsement. I've been in love with it ever since :)
I have also come to find that the EV PL-6 is identical to the EV 660, except mine is a flat greyish-green and the 660 is shiny metallic.
@528hemi - I own an SM57, RE-15 and EV PL-6. I like them all. The SM57 is a little crisper than the two EV models. Generally speaking, the EV models seem to have better mid-range. I also find the EV easier to hold because of the shape. The ONLY negative about the SM57 is the grill cover noise because it is free moving/spinning. It's only noticeable if you are playing without a band.
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Greg Heumann
1126 posts
May 09, 2011
8:31 AM
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@Ridge - FYI - there are ways to "lock" the grill of the SM57. I've been gluing them but I learned of perhaps an even better way recently, which is to shove some tiny pieces of foam rubber up under the upper part of the grill. This should quiet it down without sacrificing the "float" which protects the inner element. If you like the idea of the Bulletizer, that prevents you from coming into contact with the floating head so accomplishes the same goal without requiring any sort of grill lock.
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/Greg
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toddlgreene
2966 posts
May 09, 2011
8:56 AM
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I LOVE the Bulletizer. It not only solves that grill-turning issue, but allows for some dramatic cupping. It also solves the dilemma of hand fatigue that is inevitable when using a straight stick mic like the 545/57.
Another advantage of the 57 or 545 is the fact that they are still made, and if your vintage RE-10 ever craps out, you're just SOL, whereas with the Shures, replacements are readily available and usually less expensive.
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Todd
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JBharmonica
28 posts
May 09, 2011
9:13 AM
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Get Heumannized! Love it Todd
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ridge
263 posts
May 15, 2011
2:10 PM
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Hemi, I don't have the RE10, but I have an RE15. Just made a vid comparing to an SM57. Please check this thread: RE15 vs. SM57
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hvyj
1398 posts
May 15, 2011
2:41 PM
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The RE-15 and the RE-10 do NOT sound similar. The RE-15 is much closer to the sound of an SM57 than the RE-10 is.
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ridge
266 posts
May 15, 2011
2:47 PM
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I was doing my best to illustrate the difference... I know it's not the same and doesn't have credibility, but I was trying to do something nice. It's the thought that counts, right?
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rharley5652
488 posts
May 15, 2011
3:01 PM
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@ridge,..
"The ONLY negative about the SM57 is the grill cover noise because it is free moving/spinning."
Here is how to fix the Noise Issue ,.you have two options:
option #1
Occasionally, an SM57 may develop an audible rattle when the microphone is shaken vigorously. The noise may be reduced or eliminated by inserting a small piece of acoustic foam (such as used in the 55SH Series II grill) between the SM57 grill housing and the black metal screen.
Use a bright light to locate one of the four flat areas beneath the screen. Carefully insert the foam piece between the grill frame and screen. Push it in until no longer visible. If necessary, repeat using one of the other flat areas.
The addition of this foam does not degrade the SM57 frequency response or polar pattern. Contact Shure Applications Engineering at 800-516-2525 or 847-600-8440 to obtain small squares of the acoustic foam.
Option #2
You will need a toothpick and Duco Cement (available from a hardware store). Locate the black metal screen that is 1.25" below the SM57 grill. This screen is right below the band that says "Shure" and "SM57". In a strong light, look carefully through the screen. You will see four bright areas that are just below the screen. Each of these areas is 90 degrees apart from the next area. These four areas are the glue targets.
Stand the microphone upside down on its grill. Put a small dab of cement (the size of a pin head) on the toothpick. Place the cement on the first area. Let the cement flow downward and get between the black screen and the rotating plastic grill. Repeat for the remaining three areas. Let the cement dry thoroughly, then break off the length of toothpick that is not required.
This technique should stop the rattling. Use the cement sparingly.
Never cover up this black screen with duct tape as this will destroy the SM57 directionality.
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atty1chgo
324 posts
May 03, 2012
4:55 AM
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Old string revived for a moment.
I just bought an EV RE-10. Sounds awesome! It is a tough pick between the RE-10 and my EV 631B - I guess you can say I'm torn.
@ Greg Heumann - are you going to have a setup at Hill Country Harmonica this year that will allow players to test your mics? I have never tried the SM57 - modified or not, and am curious.
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toddlgreene
3641 posts
May 03, 2012
6:09 AM
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631b is lighter, so that's the win for me...the fact that my RE-10 is broken is a factor, too. ;-) Since I've changed the way I hold small-or-no head stick mics(plug end facing my elbows, grille facing my fingertips, head sandwiched between the heels of my hands, which are facing each other as if I am clapping-which allows for acoustic-style cupping), I prefer the light, small and skinnier mics. The Ultimate 57/545 works well like this, too.
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Todd L. Greene
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bonedog569
513 posts
May 03, 2012
10:57 AM
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Thanks for sharing the tip Greg.
I have an re10 and though I like the feel in my hand, - I found better use for it as a second mic on the snare drum in the studio. The tone & attack with harp didn't float my boat.
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Last Edited by on May 03, 2012 10:59 AM
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Lonesome Harpman
81 posts
May 03, 2012
12:31 PM
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"But an Ultimate 57 is way better for holding comfort than either"
Greg, I want to be able to place the mic on a stand but the clip doesn't hold it well enough. What can I use so that don't have to worry about it falling out of the clip?
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MP
2226 posts
May 03, 2012
4:22 PM
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for a stock stick mic i vote for the Shure Spher-o-Dyne 533.
i used one for several years till i got tired of taping the grille back on (it was held on with a molded plastic ring that i broke.
i liked it better than my green bullet. then i switched over to a Crystal JT-30 i bought from a high school band director.
but back on topic. if they are stock-(inheumann) either is fine but i think the EV-Re-10s and the slightly brighter RE-15s are warmer and less squirly in the high register.
@ Lonesome,
you can buy larger or smaller clips...or clothes-pin types.
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Greg Heumann
1596 posts
May 03, 2012
11:10 PM
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@Atty - Yes - I will have something that will let you hear the mics through headphones - that is if I remember to bring it.
@LonesomeHarpman - I don't know what clip you're using - but the Shure WA371 clip holds Ultimates beautifully. I have them - most music stores do. This is the clip Shure sells for its wireless mics. An Ultimate mic definitely can't be held in a standard SM57/58 clip
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/Greg
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Lonesome Harpman
82 posts
May 04, 2012
5:52 AM
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Thanks Greg, I just ordered two from Sweetwater.
I wonder if two is enough? Don't you hate it when a so called professional sound man casually tosses the mic stands in the back of their truck and breaks the clips? I guess it takes to long to unscrew them and place them in the mic bags?
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