Jim Rumbaugh
547 posts
Aug 11, 2011
9:53 AM
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I had my first passage into old age. I had an upper mollar pulled. It was cracked to the root.
Here's the warning. The dentist said not to sip on straws nor spit for several days. Basically, do not do anything that puts a vacuum or pressure in the mouth. Some teeth roots grow close to the sinus and the membrane to the sinus can rupture.
Well....... I now have a small hole from my mouth to my nose. It's not big, but it's there, and the tooth was pulled 2 weeks ago. I'm laying off the harp for a full week and see if it it heals.
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harpcrab
72 posts
Aug 11, 2011
10:25 AM
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Hi Jim,
Unless you had an actual oral/antral communication (the roots of your tooth went into the sinus, and when the tooth was extracted the membrane seperating the two was torn leaving a patent opening- this is unusual) then you should be OK. Generally, the reason to avoid negative pressure (hard sucking on a straw, harp, etc.) is to prevent dislogeing the blood clot from the socket. The clot forms in the extraction site and covers the bone, acting sort of like a band-aid. If you loose the clot, you're more likely to get a "dry socket" (inflammation/infection of the bone). Many studies have shown this not to be as much of an issue as once thought.
Best of luck to a speedy recovery-
Harpcrab, DDS
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Seven.Oh.Three.
145 posts
Aug 11, 2011
10:42 AM
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None of the above situations sound like any fun. I've had wisdom teeth pulled and have been warned of dry socket. Luckily I was able to avoid that. I've seen the effect of dry socket and that resulted in a trip to the hospital. Now, I'd imagine a hole from your tooth socket to your nasal passage trumps the above situations.
Jim, good luck with your recovery!
7.o.3.
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bluemoose
585 posts
Aug 11, 2011
12:00 PM
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might help with circular breathing.
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Reed Triller
9 posts
Aug 11, 2011
1:50 PM
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Over the last 3 years I have had root canals as well as crowns put in. I have one space empty where the second to last tooth on the bottom right was pulled and am due for a bridge for it soon thank goodness. I laid off of the harp for about a month each time because I didn't want to mess anything up.
I have noticed the way my teeth set now is different than before I had all the work done and it has effected how I played.Not necessarily in a bad way. I just had to make adjustments in technique.
Once I get the bridge to fill the open space and possibly get braces to straighten things out everything should be back to normal.
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Chickenthief
127 posts
Aug 11, 2011
2:07 PM
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Thanks Jim. Thanks Crab.
I'm headed to the dentist soon to have a cracked tooth looked at. I had been putting off having it capped due to a shortage of funds in the past.
@harpcrab- I have had this cracked tooth for at least a few years now with no pain or problems yet. Is it foolish not to have these things dealt with as soon as they are found out? I'm otherwise pretty good on the dental hygiene regimen and what have you, just that in the past two years or so I have had to postpone some dental appts. due to the financial upheavels.
Any other harp related advice or information that you might have time to share with us would be most gratefully recieved by me and the other members here on the forum I'm sure. No one wants to lose practice time if it can be helped.
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Jim Rumbaugh
548 posts
Aug 11, 2011
6:24 PM
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@ harpcrab
Thanks for the encouraging words. I assume it will resolve. The sorness at the gums gets less each day, but then sometimes it flairs up a bit after a night of singing and playing.
A strange occurance. I "swished" the area with a sip of hydrogen peroxide. 20 seconds after spitting it out, I feel it bubbling into my sinus......... I keep telling myself, that's why it's getting better now, the peroxide finally got into the infected area...
I'm waitng until next Tuesday to play.
@chicken thief. I had the procedure done after waitng 6 months. A bad toothache set in due to an infection from the cracked tooth. That infection is what I am still fighting. I say do it now.
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Chickenthief
131 posts
Aug 11, 2011
6:39 PM
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@ Jim - 10/4
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jbone
605 posts
Aug 12, 2011
4:55 AM
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i've had 2 wisdoms out on a friday and played all night on the following saturday. trick was to keep the packing in place and keep the jaws closed pretty much. i had no problems.
more recently i had 2 upper teeth out, to the immediate right and left of my center teeth. i have a small appliance that replaces those 2 teeth, it clips in. no probs with harp or vocals. yes it is a bit different, as is playing/singing with my "flipper" out entirely. but it's definitely do-able. playing just too soon can cause some major pain however as i found out early this year. keeping extract sites packed with gauze even after the bleeding has stopped and it may seem ok, is important. if the packing comes out the pressure and exposure to air can put you in some pain that aspirin won't touch.
nobody but me really noticed the very small changes in my playing and pronunciation of certain words. it's basically a non-issue if one just adapts as well as possible.
my insurance was maxed early this year with 2 or 3 crowns and some other stuff so it will be next year at least before i have a full set of upper and lower appliances to fit in the gaps where i've lost teeth, mostly molars. i expect to have to adapt my playing and vocals to that as well but i'm remembering sonnyboy II late in life with what looked like just a few teeth left in his head. we are luckier than we know.
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stones
54 posts
Aug 12, 2011
6:58 AM
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@JIM good luck with your sinus issue. I feel for you. last year I had whats called a sinus lift on my left side rear ( had to make room for some inplants) they removed three teeth including my wisdom tooth then packed freezed dried bone into the sockets left behind. the dentist told me no harp! same thing no negitive pressure in side my mouth. after a few days I thought about deep breathing exercises, breathing from my diaphram opening my airway all the way DOWN...almost a meditation thing.. mostly to help lessen the throbbing that I was having. but I started to mess around with my harps, I did this for about a month... boy did it really help with my breathing through the harp when I'm playing and it really improved the tone of my playing. good luck with it all.
JIM
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harpcrab
74 posts
Aug 12, 2011
8:27 AM
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Chxtheif- I'd have it looked at at your earliest convenvience- seems if something has potential to blow up it's always when you're on vacation, a week-end, a frinday (it's illegal for dentists to work fridays you know). Could be its just a fracture of the crown rather than extending down the root.
Jim- I'm not a big fan of H2O2 intraorally. It's a pretty strong oxidizer for mucous membrane contact. Plus, it's likely to disolve the clot. If you're getting it in your nose from rinsing, I'd advise having it looked at by your dentist asap. It may just feel like it's in your sinus due to the root's (now socket's) proximity.
Stones- man, that's a tough way to improve your tone! At least you got some benifit from it.
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