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Behringer DD400 Digital Delay a clone of Boss DD3?
Behringer DD400 Digital Delay a clone of Boss DD3?
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Matzen
291 posts
Sep 17, 2011
3:13 PM
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Today I got to talking to someone who builds FX pedals. He told me that the Behringer DD400 digital delay is pretty much an exact clone of the Boss DD3 except that the DD400 is housed in a plastic case instead of metal, and that the DD400 has a blue light instead of a red one. He told me that because of the plastic case they have gotten a bad rap. People think they'll break after a while of stomping on them. I was thinking that if I was using it for harp, I'd leave the pedal on top of my amp were I'd turn it off and on by hand so I would't have to worry so much about breaking the case. These can be had for $25 verses $110 for the Boss. Can anyone comment on these?
Thanks!
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MrVerylongusername
1943 posts
Sep 17, 2011
5:30 PM
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I don't have that delay, but I do have the Behringer clone of the rare Boss Dimension C pedal. My mate has the real thing. A/B there is a small difference, but it isn't £180 of difference. He was pretty gutted when he tried mine out, plus I didn't have to scour ebay for 6 months till one came up.
I like these pedal. Behringer gear has a bad rep that may have been deserved 10 years ago, but I think less so now.
The plastic case is the weak point, but so far (about a year) has held up fine, although it's not part of my gigging rig so doesn't get that much abuse.
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isaacullah
1577 posts
Sep 17, 2011
6:22 PM
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Wow. The specs look pretty darn good on that pedal, and the price is awesome! Pretty amazingly, it also features a "hold" function, which actually is a looper. Seems like you could get up to a 1.3 second-long loop. It's not much in terms of looping time, but for that price, it seems awesome!
If you take the plunge and buy one of these, let us know how it sounds! It's going on my Amazon wishlist as of NOW.
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Matzen
293 posts
Sep 17, 2011
7:29 PM
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I just found this:
http://thetoneking.com/wp/behringer-stomp-box-cross-comparison-chart
so maybe the guy was right?
I also found out there are different versions of the DD-3!:
While there are only two different DD-3 circuits, there are actually three and a half (or four, if you prefer) different versions of the DD-3.
Version 1 had the large delay chip, with wires all over the place. This is the re-badged DD-2, and every one I've seen so far has been MIJ with the blue label. While I think it's safe to say that all version 1 pedals were made in Japan, I wouldn't stretch that argument as far as saying that all MIJ pedals are this version. That might be the case, but I don't have the evidence to support it.
Version 2 - the DD-3(A) - had the smaller square delay chip. This one is easily recogniceable as soon as you open it up, since the delay chip is soldered to the back of the circuit board. The plastic shield has a matching square cut-out, which lets the chip touch the bottom plate (possibly for cooling purposes?). The pots and mode selector were now placed on a single strip of circuit board, with flat cables carrying the connections to the main board. (In version 1, the mode selector was mounted separately from the other pots.)
Version 2b (or 3, if you prefer) is exactly the same as above, but instead of having the old-style slot-in adapter jack, the jack has now moved to the main circuit board. This is the "modern" style, where the adapter jack is sticking out through a square "hole" in the box.
Version 3 (4) is the current model. The circuit is the same as the DD-3(A), but the circuit board layout is completely new. The circuit board is now double-sided, with lots of surface-mount components being used. Again, the adapter jack is mounted to the main circuit board.
From what I can tell they came in 12 and 16 bit sampling rates. I think (if I remember right) that the behringer is 24 bits?
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Last Edited by on Sep 17, 2011 7:51 PM
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Shredder
307 posts
Sep 17, 2011
8:17 PM
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I've giged with one for about 4 years now with no issues. I also have a Lone wolf. I use the Berringer 99% of the time. I like its bigger delay time. Buy one, I done't think you will be sorry.
Mike
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isaacullah
1578 posts
Sep 18, 2011
12:40 PM
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Thanks for the extra info Matzen, and thanks Shredder for the reliability report! That pretty much seals the deal for me. I think I'll pick one of these babies up. I've been looking for a battery powered solution to bring my looping style to the streets, but I ain't got the cash to drop on a loopstation or G3 or something. The loop time ain't long on this pedal, but it's ample to do something basic, and the price is pretty outstanding.
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isaacullah
1584 posts
Sep 19, 2011
7:51 PM
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Well, I went down to my local music shop and picked one up today (I negotiated with my guy and got it for a little less than the cheapest online price + shipping!). I'm quite impressed with it so far! It's really easy to use and to change settings on. I can get everything from a nice slap back up through a huge space echo and more, including a decent reverb-y setting.
Here's a cool think I discovered while playing with it this afternoon: you can get it going on a long delay time with infinte repeats, and it basically becomes a sound-on-sound looper! You have to manually set the delay time (max is 1.3 seconds), and then you just layer up a loop and it plays forever with no sound degradation. However, you'd need an external bypass pedal to be able to solo over the loop (you'd put the DD-400 in the effects loop of the external bypass pedal, get the loop going, and then use the external pedal to send your input signal direct to the amp, bypassing the input of the DD400, but mixing in the output of it).
The "hold" function is pretty cool too. Not a lot of time (and the timing of the pedal stomps have to be really exact), but I was able to lay down some really good brief harpboxed rhythms and then blow over them. What's nice about the hold function is that it's really easy to replace the sample on the fly - You just hold the pedal down and it captures whatever you were playing in that time and replaces what was in there previously. Although that means you can't do sound on sound ovrdubbing with the hold function (see my note above for how you can work around that), it's very cool the way it is, and it's great to have options.
Finally, I didn't notice any tone-suck. I was using my diy-bullet mic, which is technically a mid-impedance dynamic (but has really high output), so I can't confirm that this is still true for a traditional bullet with a cr/cm or for a crystal.
Look for video clips in the future!
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Matzen
303 posts
Sep 19, 2011
8:09 PM
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Did you buy it at a chain store? If so, which one? I can't seem to find anyone close to me who carries thier pedals?
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isaacullah
1585 posts
Sep 19, 2011
8:14 PM
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No, I go to a local store called "Musician's Discount". I prefer them because they are local, have a great inventory of used gear, and they always price match on new gear. I just told them I saw it for $30 online (using google shop), and they give me that price (after checking the interwebs to confirm, of course). If I didn't have them, I'd have bought it online...
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