528hemi
265 posts
Dec 17, 2011
9:24 PM
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What apeaker do you recommend that would be a little less bright then a Jensen P12R. I like the sound of the Jensen but find I have to turn the tone to zero to dampen the brightness.
What speaker would you recommend that would be close to this speakers tone but a little less bright. The Jensen P12R speaker that I ahve in one of my amps sounds horn like and I want to try a 10 inch in another amp but want to try a speaker with a little less brightness but not muddy.
528hemi
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Joe_L
1669 posts
Dec 17, 2011
9:34 PM
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Weber 10A125-O with the H dustcap...
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dted
12 posts
Dec 17, 2011
10:16 PM
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You don't say what amp it's going into. I was just checking out Tone Tubby 10" San Rafael models. Only 25 watts speaker. Hemp cone. The alnico is out of stock for a few weeks. Might be nice. I think its about $100 .
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bharper
129 posts
Dec 18, 2011
12:30 PM
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What Joe said: The Weber vintage speaker, but I do not believe the so-called "H" dustcap has any affect on feedback or tone.
You may also try the Eminence Lil' Buddy (hemp cone) or the Eminence Ramrod. Both are ceramic speakers with a lot of punch and volume, and not nearly as glassy as the Jensen RI.
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Joe_L
1672 posts
Dec 18, 2011
3:58 PM
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The Weber vintage series ceramic speakers are bad ass too.
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hvyj
2016 posts
Dec 18, 2011
6:05 PM
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You know, just changing from a 12 to a 10 might do it. This is counter intuitive, but i think 12s sound more shrill for harp than 10s. IMHO 10s are tighter and punchier with fewer overtones, so even though they are smaller than a 12, they are not as bright. Personally i love 10s for harp.
I had an H dustcap installed on a speaker once. It had no effect whatsoever on anything. Zip. Nada. Nothing. The whole H dustcap thing is a lot of nonsense.
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walterharp
791 posts
Dec 19, 2011
4:56 PM
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i vote for weber products too.. better price than most, and usa made. but they are now dropping them into higher end fender amps and you can get some on musicians friend.. hope they keep the quality and price of the past!
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MagicPauley57
119 posts
Dec 19, 2011
6:40 PM
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as above , P10R sound great for harp , on both the vibrolux and the super , i go into the normal channel , bass full up and knock the treble down to 1 or 2 , and it's fat and chunky , i tried using my selmer zodiac ( 2x12 ) ceramic celestion vintage 30's , and they don't suit harp at all , ok for british blues guitar sound etc .
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bharper
132 posts
Dec 19, 2011
8:04 PM
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hvyj, I agree with you about the H dustcap, but not about 12-inch speakers being more "shrill" than 10-inchers in general. I've tried lots of different speaker configurations and I don't shared your opinion at all.
There is a reason woofers are big and tweeters are small. It's basic physics. I'm curious about what you are hearing.
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hvyj
2020 posts
Dec 19, 2011
9:18 PM
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@bharper: Used to own a Blues Jr. which has a 12. Sold it to get a Princetom Reverb Reissue which has a 10. The BJ was shriller than the PRRI.
Now, there are certain other variables between these two amps, but it seems to me that 10s are tighter and 12s have more overtones which can contribute to a harsher treble response for harp. Maybe not 100% of the time, but in a small amp it sort of seems that way to me. I recognize that this belief is counter intuitive for the reasons you point out.
Btw, I had the H dustcap installed on the BJ to try to mellow it out. Complete waste of $.
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bharper
133 posts
Dec 20, 2011
10:50 AM
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Dude, the stock BJr is a very bright-sounding guitar amp powered by EL84 tubes. If you went anywhere near the FAT switch you entered Feedback Hell.
The PRRI, on the other hand, is a warm-sounding amp powered by 6V6 tubes. There is an ocean of difference in the tone of the two amps that has nothing to do with the speaker. I think that is what you were hearing.
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