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Baker
279 posts
Mar 12, 2013
6:32 AM
A friend of mine asked me if I'd put some harmonica down on a a track for his band. It's got a kind of middle eastern feel to it so I said I'd give it a look and see what I could do. I don't/can't over blow (not through lack of trying), or play chromatic – and wanting to add some more of that flavour I googled Arabic scale and found this on wikipedia:

Double harmonic scale
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_harmonic_scale

It lays out in first position really nicely so in the key of C:

(Here's the note layout on a C harp for reference. – http://archive.harmonicasessions.com/dec04/Overbends7.jpg)

Bottom octave:
1 blow – (C)
1 draw bent – (Db/C#)
2 blow - (E)
2 draw bent 1 whole step – (F)
2 draw/3 blow – (G)
3 draw bent 3 half steps – (Ab)
3 draw – (B)
4 blow – (C)

Middle octave:
4 blow – (C)
4 draw bent – (Db/C#)
5 blow - (E)
5 draw – (F)
6 blow – (G)
6 draw bent – (Ab)
7 draw – (B)
7 blow – (C)

Top octave
7 blow – (C)
7 OVERDRAW – (Db/C#)
8 blow - (E)
9 draw – (F)
9 blow – (G)
9 OVERDRAW – (Ab)
10 blow bent half step – (B)
10 blow – (C)

So the top octave isn't that useful for me as the two flat notes are what gives it it's character and require over draws, but there are two full octaves available with just beds, I'm sure over benders could get those missing notes form the top octave.

Anyway it was a bit of a revelation how much easier I thought this was going to be so thought I'd share.

Not sure what I'm going to do with it yet but it's been fun noodling around with.

Hope some of you enjoy it!

EDIT: Corrected information

Last Edited by Baker on Mar 21, 2013 5:51 AM
harp-er
365 posts
Mar 12, 2013
9:41 AM
Thanks for laying it out. I love this sound, though I haven't played it at all - til just now! Who knows what you may have started.
bonedog569
847 posts
Mar 12, 2013
11:39 AM
Similar to Harmonic Minor I believe. Try using a minor tuned harp from Lee Oskar if you don't OB - OD. I'd be curious to hear the file they want harp on.

J-sin is your pro in this dept.
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Noodles
404 posts
Mar 12, 2013
5:09 PM
I've seen this scale before --- referred to as "Gypsy Major." If you flat the 7th, ( Bb instead of B) it's called the "Spanish" scale.
J-Sin
129 posts
Mar 12, 2013
5:54 PM
I believe I have used this very scale on this track. Key of A harmonica:



Edit: corrected embed code.
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nacoran
6572 posts
Mar 12, 2013
8:48 PM
I haven't worked out exactly what the scale is, but if you play a chromatic with only the blow notes, but still using the slide, you get a very Middle Eastern sounding scale.

J-Sin, I like that!

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Baker
281 posts
Mar 13, 2013
1:13 AM
Thanks for the feedback and tips.

J-Sin, really enjoyed that track. It's given me some stuff to think about.
Bonedog – I'll post the track when it's finished.
RyanMortos
1438 posts
Mar 13, 2013
5:20 AM
J-Sin, always a pleasure to hear your stuff!

The Arabic scale looks close to the harmonica minor scale accept instead of flat 3rd it's flat 2nd. In some ways easier :) .

What chord progression gives a song an eastern feel?

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barbequebob
2223 posts
Mar 13, 2013
8:39 AM
If you're a fan of the surf guitar sound, most especially Dick Dale, this is a scale you may hear more often than you think.
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jim
1387 posts
Mar 13, 2013
5:52 PM
And I sure have a tuning for that...

HERE IS THE LAYOUT

The root note is 1 draw. 2,5 octaves of pure diatonic fun in the arabic scale. Plus great harmonic chords.

Add valves to your taste and enjoy.


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bonedog569
849 posts
Mar 13, 2013
10:30 PM
J-sin beautiful work on this stuff as ususal. Are you playing an A in 1st?
The vocal and lyrics remind me of Tom Jones - only the music is hipper.

Interesting that the song lays out as a 1 4 5 blues and you can play over it wtih a D harp in 2nd. The Arabic lines are layered on top of that simple base.
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J-Sin
130 posts
Mar 14, 2013
8:24 AM
@RyanMortos: A good deal of traditional Middle Eastern music is actually homophonic, meaning the harmony can be just one chord or drone note, and the nuances of melody and parallel single notes give the song a harmonic quality. That's why their scales (called maqamat) are so colorful! They kind of "compensate" the lack of proper harmony, along with the interesting rhythmic patterns of course.

Take a listen to this, one of my all time favorite songs ever:



The melody is pretty much everything here, right? They play beautifully in unison, and the saz and the kanun just take turns in droning the tonic note.

That said, there is also polyphonic Middle Eastern music of course. I guess you can make pretty much any progression sound like Middle Eastern, like Mr. Roots did on that blues track. I'd still say the "Middle Eastern feel" has usually more to do with the melody line over it...

I have actually thought of making a YouTube video about playing Middle Eastern music on the harmonica. Would anyone be interested in something like that?

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J-Sin
131 posts
Mar 14, 2013
8:29 AM
Also: I'm glad you like the track! It just came to my attention that the whole album is in Spotify. I play harp on 4 tracks and also beatbox on "Lemon Days". Give it a listen if interested, Mr. Andres Roots is one of the most innovative blues songwriters in Europe.

http://open.spotify.com/album/6gvWqfeIyQXF7K3HF2O0GM

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lor
181 posts
Mar 15, 2013
3:07 PM
I would love to see / hear some instruction / demonstration videos on Middle Eastern music with harmonica! I fell in love with the sound during the couple of years I spent working and traveling in that part of the world.
MarkHagen
10 posts
Mar 20, 2013
9:23 AM
good idea lor, I've got a bunch of the theory down and can play some stuff on the "oud" (wish I could do this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cmg8qzQs2I ), which also has that single drone low string going on, so maybe I'll try a rough attempt at transposing some maqamat (scales) to harp. Gotta dig those books out. Should work well since bending will give us plenty of the microtonal elements... I think
oh yea, that taksim trio (taksim = improv) vid is nice too!
KC69
305 posts
Mar 20, 2013
11:51 AM
Am I wrong and maybe some one already addressed the first post from Baker. the 10 blow whole step bend would be a Bb ?????
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Baker
283 posts
Mar 21, 2013
5:52 AM
Hi KC69 – Sorry, my bad.
Have corrected OP.

Thanks.


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