DukeBerryman
212 posts
Mar 06, 2014
3:04 PM
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I just read that Lee Oskar's have bigger holes. Is that true? Which harp has the biggest holes? I guess I'm interested in pushing as much air as possible thru.
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Frank
3951 posts
Mar 06, 2014
3:59 PM
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I'd say Hohners have the biggest holes :)
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nacoran
7579 posts
Mar 06, 2014
4:35 PM
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Yes, Lee Oskars have bigger holes, I'm having a shaky hand day and I don't have great light, but my calipers seem to indicate Hohner holes are about 5mm and LO's about 6mm. The total length of the holes from 1-10 is nearly identical though. If you look at most Hohners the holes are sort of rectangles, longer top to bottom than side to side. Lee Oskar holes are square. It bugs some people who go back and forth between the two.
I mostly play L.O.s, and I do notice the spacing difference when I go back and forth, but I don't think it really helps get much more air through. It does, I think, maybe make it easier to get a clean note, but there again, measuring the whole length of the row of holes someone could argue the opposite and say Hohner's tines give you better separation. I know it bugged me a bit at first, but then I played a Hohner puck and it seemed like such a little difference it didn't matter.
Why are you interested in pushing as much air through as possible is the next question. A smaller hole might actually create more air velocity, which might create more volume, but I'm just guessing at harmonica physics that would involve a lot of variables, based on an imperfect knowledge of physics. :)
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DoubleJ
42 posts
Mar 06, 2014
4:36 PM
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Seydel has largest holes when it comes to diatonics. But hole size has little or no effect on the amount of air you actually push.
Inf fact, the goal for harp play is the maximum sound with the minimum amount of air.
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Frank
3960 posts
Mar 06, 2014
4:45 PM
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You don't get no bigger holes then Hohner can give you :)
Last Edited by Frank on Mar 06, 2014 4:46 PM
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laurent2015
625 posts
Mar 06, 2014
8:07 PM
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Can you better tongue-block with narrow holes?
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DukeBerryman
215 posts
Mar 06, 2014
8:50 PM
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Thanks for measuring @nacoran
I wonder how big too big is?
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MP
3105 posts
Mar 06, 2014
9:56 PM
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boris_plotnikov
936 posts
Mar 07, 2014
1:46 AM
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Seydel have the the widest hole spacing, while hole sizes are about the same as hohner/suzuki. I have no any Lee Oskar now to check. It's a bit easier for beginners to separate single note on Seydel. While it slightly (not really) harder to make a long runs. once I had a problem with one tune. Fast run was +4 +5 -6 +7 +8, it was ok on Golden Melody, but swithing for seydel make me to practice it a bit more, but it took 20 minutes or so to get used to it.
And hole size have no deal with amount of air moved. If you want to use a lot of air you have to make much wider tolerances (syn: gaps, ofsets). You can simple get cheap chinese harmonica or possible something like Hohner Big River/Pro Harp/JJ Milteau and blow it very hard and it will play because it leaks.
And finally I don't know what are advantages of using much air. Most quality custom harmonicas need tripple less air than cheapest stock harps. And you have to blow less for the more loudness. It just necessary to spent some time (some weeks of playing or so) to get used to use less amount of air and you'll get much better control over instrument.
Anyway as far as I feel hole size have a big affect on articulation and tone. I have an experience of trying combs with different thickness. Thicker comb (e.g. 6 mm) for my taste have less prominent articulation and it leads to softer and a bit more bassy tone, while thinner comb (e.g. 5.5 mm) gives much prominent articulation and more crispy tone. Golden Melody combs are thicker, while marine band combs are thinner. for Seydel I prefer 5.6-5.7 mm combs, while stock 6 mm is still ok for me, but I don't want to go thicker.
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Slimharp
233 posts
Mar 07, 2014
5:59 AM
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I hear the new Rocket has some large holes. Bigger than Sp. 20's so should be about or bigger then LO or Seydel.
Last Edited by Slimharp on Mar 07, 2014 5:59 AM
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harpwrench
789 posts
Mar 07, 2014
6:02 AM
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You didn't answer the question .... why? For big holes and ability to pass the most air, check out the Koch! An old dried up one from eBay will do it best.
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walterharp
1335 posts
Mar 07, 2014
10:27 AM
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ahh... I think the biggest holes are on A harps..
big A holes! :-)
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DukeBerryman
216 posts
Mar 07, 2014
12:02 PM
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Seems like if the holes get too big they become inefficient, and there is a loss of air pressure. It's not the amount of air, it's good air pressure that matters.
@boris Interesting observation about comb thickness.
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BronzeWailer
1220 posts
Mar 07, 2014
1:50 PM
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It's not the size of the hole, it's what you do with your lips, tongue and hands.
How's that?
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gene
1160 posts
Mar 07, 2014
5:11 PM
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I read the title and thought it was going to be a politics thread. ;)
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BronzeWailer
1221 posts
Mar 07, 2014
5:34 PM
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Gene, don't mention the 'p' word.
Always leads to a locked thread.
Speaking of the letter 'p', as Naughty by Nature says...
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The first two letters are the same but the last is something
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It's the longest, loveliest, lean-- I call it the leanest
It's another five letter word rhymin' with cleanness and meanness
I won't get into that, I'll do it...uh...sorta properly
I'll say the last P...hmm...stands for property
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laurent2015
631 posts
Mar 07, 2014
7:22 PM
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Strange...I suddenly urge for a muffin...but not hungry, yet. Don't understand.
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