Libertad
6 posts
Dec 30, 2011
4:55 PM
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Sorry to ask so many questions but I could do with some more advice.
I want to get a delay pedal and have narrowed it down to one of the Lone Wolf models or the MXR Carbon Copy. The question is which one.
I will be using a SM57 into a Vox AC4TV. I am looking for a bluesy warm tone, but not too muddy. Some reports mention that the delay Version 1 cuts some of the mid high tones, where the version 2 retaines them. How would people describe the difference between the two.
I know the obvious answer would be to try them, but living in the UK means this is difficult.
I am looking to thicken up my sound, without too much distortion/coloration.
I have also been told to check out the MXR Carbon Copy, but was worried about the difference in gain, when switching it in and out.
So much to learn, so little time. As always thanks for your help.
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LSC
128 posts
Dec 30, 2011
6:10 PM
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I would highly recommend the Lone Wolf Harp Delay. For a start it is harp specific. One should always obtain the tool for the actual job at hand, in this case working with a harmonica not a guitar, which is what the MXR is designed for. I have tried other delay pedals and found the Lone Wolf far superior to all others in many facets. And it is true bypass or at least as close as anything can get.
As far as choice between V1 or the V2, I think from the mic and amp you're using retaining upper mids should not be an issue. I never noticed any loss of tone with the V1 Harp Delay that I have. Also the Lone Wolf site states that if you don't know which to go for 99% of orders are for V1, the V2 being preferred by those into jazz and pop, not the warm bluesy sound you describe. Plunk down for the V1 Harp Delay and I'm as positive as a man can be you will be a happy camper.
I would recommend getting a power supply. I don't think you really need one from Lone Wolf. Just check the spec and get one in the UK from wherever. The Harp Delay works fine with a battery but it won't warn you when the battery is dying. You'll just loose effect and then quickly it will start buzzing like a bee on steroids. Really not good if you're going into a PA. You also have to remove the bottom plate to get at it, which is easy enough but not something you can do on the fly.
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LSC
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Joe_L
1685 posts
Dec 30, 2011
6:54 PM
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If you're looking to thicken your tone, get the Lone Wolf V1 delay.
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MJ
342 posts
Dec 30, 2011
7:13 PM
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I like the MXR carbon copy. It to me is more versatile. I bought a Lone wolf and returned it. I think the bypass on the MXR is plenty good. I don't necessarily agree that the MXR is built solely for guitar. Whatever makes you happy. Try out an MXR at GC or some other store. There is no way to really test drive the lone wolf, unless you happen to know someone who has one. Randy is top notch when it comes to accepting returns . I will add that I own a Harp Attack that I love.
Last Edited by on Dec 30, 2011 9:33 PM
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eharp
1638 posts
Dec 30, 2011
7:29 PM
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i have a slightly used carbon copy.
i was very happy with it.
i would agree with mj's assessment of the delay.
i'll sell it cheap. make an offer.
i have gon the digitech route so i dont use it any more.
i love the versatility of the digitechs.
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Willspear
23 posts
Dec 30, 2011
8:52 PM
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Try to hit a music store
Try bbe two timer
Way huge aqua puss
Carbon copy
All three sound good. All three are different from each other enough that they could ride on the same pedal board for sonic variance. The two timer has two separate delays making it a great delay for gigging as you can set up a couple tones.
Carbon copy is the most modern sounding delay. It has a modulation feature that sounds good. Darkens tone a bit. Has a long delay if you ever need that sort of thing.
Aqua puss really nails the defined slap sound. Just great delay. Really nice thing about it is how easy a sound is to dial up on it as it is a short delay with wide sweeping pots. So a little change on the knob isn't as dramatic as the carbon copy.
The delay I'd buy if I could burn money is the new red witch one. 3 delays in one that you can run certain effects though certain delay stages.
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boris_plotnikov
673 posts
Dec 31, 2011
3:06 AM
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I'm using SM57 and Fireball V to HarpAttack.
I had LoneWolf HarpDelay v1 and trade it for Carbon Copy. It was nice and warm for distorted tone, but for clean tone it was too dark and it killed all edge in tone. Dry signal is effected too! It rolls off all highs a bit even with delay amount knob all way down. My girlfriend loved my tone with Harpdelay V1 more, but for me and my style it was too dark, and I felt uncomfortable, turned highs all way up and finally I've sold it. For blues with fat distorted dark tone it was really nice, but it was not enough for me and I get Carbon copy. I'm absolutely happy with my tone.
Pros of HarpDelay v1:
- it really helps to avoid feedback as it rools all highs.
- it has dark warm blues tone, make amp distortion softer.
- true bypass
Cons of Harpdelay v2:
- it reduce highs, crispiness, edge from whole tone if you need it.
- dry signal is effected
- useless for clean jazz/acoustic playing
Pros of carbon copy
- dry signal is unaffected
- wery warm dark delayed signal
Cons of carbon copy
- it's not a real true bypass, I have some impedance problem if CC is only pedal in chain
- sometimes it's unreliable, read reviews on harmony-central.com, bunch of people have problems with some transistors.
- it don't help against feedback because it don't roll highs, so if you want more warm tone you have to reduce highs.
I'd recommend to check BBE Two Timer, I definitely liked it or Harpdelay V2.
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Chinaski
210 posts
Dec 31, 2011
7:28 AM
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Libertad - Pete at Harmonicas Direct in the UK stocks Lone Wolf pedals. He's a great guy to deal with and I'm sure would be very helpful in helping you choose the right one.
I have been to his store before (it's an online business but his stockroom is just near Bradford), and tried products before buying. Give him a call.
www.harmonicas-direct.com
Last Edited by on Dec 31, 2011 7:32 AM
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Libertad
7 posts
Dec 31, 2011
8:11 AM
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Chinaski
I have had a chat to Pete, he has a new shipment of pedals coming in on Tuesday. He is sending me a Version 1. Seems very helpful.
Thanks Martin
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Greg Heumann
1407 posts
Jan 01, 2012
8:44 AM
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I like the Lone Wolf pedals. I also encourage everyone, when given a choice, to buy from harp-specific vendors when the product and service meet your needs. It has the same benefits all around as "buy local". Randy is a great guy to do business with and stands behind his product.
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bharper
137 posts
Jan 01, 2012
11:45 AM
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Well... The MXR Carbon Copy delay pedal has a completely analog signal path, using old-school bucket brigade electronics. It comes by its delay honestly and has a true vintage sound. To my ear, digital modelers just don't come close.
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mrdon46
80 posts
Jan 02, 2012
12:38 AM
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Can't speak to the differences between the LW V1 and V2 or between the LW and Carbon Copy, but I have the V1 and think it's great for thickening up my tone. The only drawback is it doesn't provide the option for a particulary long delay, so in the 1% of situations where I want a longer delay I use my cheapo Danelctro PB&J.
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rbeetsme
539 posts
Jan 02, 2012
9:48 AM
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Great, I have 2 Boss delay pedals, guess I'll have to sell some pedals off and check out another Lone Wolf. I agree with Greg though. If you go to see a performance, buy some CD's, need a mic, check out Gregs'.
As per buying guitar pedals, sometimes they work, sometimes not. For harp, I find that I usually only use one setting of 7 on my Boss delay and only 1 or 2 on my Boss reverb.
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