Zhin
9 posts
Oct 06, 2008
9:47 PM
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Info is outdated. Please look up Richard Hunter's website if you are interested in these things.
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Oisin
18 posts
Oct 07, 2008
1:48 AM
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Hello there Zhin,
well I haven't got any of the equipment you talk about here but I have always wondered what the
Behringer MIC100 sounded like so thanks for that review.
I do however have a Vox modelling amp, the ADVT 50W 212 and I must agree with you that you can have some great fun with it and get some cracking tone from modelling amps.
As well as 11 different amps it has loads of effects and I have gotten some crazy sounds out of it.However it is a bit of a lump and as yet I haven't used it at the jams I go to.
Like everything to do with harp playing, at the end of the day it's all a matter of personal choice and if you like it then that's the most important thing.
I have a few small tube amps which I always thought sounded better than the Vox but my wife and kids totally disagree with that and they love the sounds I get out of the Vox when I play it.
I know this isn't exactly the sort of reply you probably wanted to your post but I thought I'd offer a little support in favour of modelling equipment and non-standard tube stuff.
Oisin
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Oxharp
25 posts
Oct 08, 2008
12:34 PM
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Hi Zhin,
so have you any youtube vids that we can hear.
I would be interested in listening to the tone you can get like the jason Ricci rig video.
I have an RP50 and was given 3 setting programmes from a Tenor Sax player who was using it at a small venue.
I have not really used it as I have been concentrating on developing my accoustic tone and have put my toys away until I can do them justice.
cheers
Russ
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Chris Michalek
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Oct 09, 2008
10:14 AM
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I was recently messing around with the Boss '59 bassman pedal. It's not to bad at all.
I'm not a huge fan of the digitech units. I used one for awhile but it's too clunky and limiting for me.
I'd rather play straint through the board then use a digitech again.
Harpgear makes a little 5w amp that has tone to the end of the earth. For small blues gigs I use this monstrous little guy. You can hear it at the very end of this clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GVh4BE4oDE
and here http://www.harpgear.com/
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Anonymous
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Oct 09, 2008
10:00 PM
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Zhin, I come here to support Adam and help less experienced players, that's my only purpose.
If it seems that I have an elitist attitude it is because I AM an elite player. As an elite player who has been there, done that, I was just saving you and the folks who read this the trouble on what works and what doesn't.
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Anonymous
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Oct 09, 2008
10:10 PM
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so you're searching for answers on practicality... the digitech units are not practical for harp. How do I know? I spent two years trying to get several model to work properly in small club. They simply DO NOT cut it. You didn't even mention the only until that semi-works with the harp which is the rpx-400 the vocalist series works ok too.
As I said in my original post get a small amp and mic it. The harp commander and kinder units work well too. The digitechs simply do not. They has nothing to do with debunking you or digitech. In my experience people simply want what works. I'm telling you again the Boss pedal works better than any of the digitech units.
Better yet get one of the EHX tube mic pres with 2x 12ay7 they sound better than any of those units mentioned above.
If you have issues with feedback then you simply do not know how to operate your equipment or you have poor mic technique.
Lastly, tone only matters to the player. The audience doesn't know the difference. The audience only cares if they are having a good experience.
It's a fools game to use the emulators when one could use a small amp. There's no substitute for real equipment and a high level of music.
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Anonymous
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Oct 10, 2008
8:05 AM
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zhin,
First, you're the only one who mentions mockery and level of intelligence. I don't care about how smart anyone is, all I care about is music.
Secondly, what's so cryptic about the damn thing doesn't work well for the harp? IT DOESN'T ****ING WORK.
You're going to have feedback issues. The units are cheaply made and can not stand the rigors of gigging. The effects do not track well.
I've tried PR50, RP200 RP300 v300 RPx400 they are all the same. They suck in terms of quality and sound. I've tried digitech stomp boxes and they have all failed me.
Now if you want some real gear, I've already told you what works and that's mostly the EHX units - octave effects, chrous, pre-amps, compressors.
Jason Ricci is using the BBE products to great effect. He raves about them, and when he calls you at 3am to tell you how great they are then you tend to believe him. I've only used the BBE products in the studio but I believe what Jason says and can recommend products soley on his opinion.
Lastly, many of the Boss, Ibenez and Maxon products works pretty good.
Cryptically, Digitech is crap. Decoded is says Digitech SUCKS and doesn't work for harp as well as one would wish.
The beringer units are even worse and stay away from Pandora's box.
Zhin, I encourage you and everybody else to spend your money if you don't want to trust me. I have no agenda here other than to help. I've spent lots of my own money and often times EHX, Fender, Boss have given me things to try. When I was bickering with digitech, they even sent me several prototype units, none of which worked.
Since you injected the word "elite" I am happy to claim it. Why do some of these companies respect my opinion? Because I am an elite player on an obscure instrument.
I have sitting on my desk right now, a prototype electric harmonica that is supposed to work with the digitech units. This harp will work but I have one of three on the planet so they aren't exactly available.
Look at electroharmonix's website sometime, you will find a demo video they asked me to do for them. Funny how companies like that are interested in and heed what I have to say but harp players who are still learning to play licks don't.
I've wasted too much time with the thread.
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Anonymous
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Oct 10, 2008
8:07 AM
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I forgot to mention, if you go to digitech's website they have posted several effect settings and amp tones settings as well as sample for other harmonica players to use.
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Anonymous
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Oct 10, 2008
8:20 AM
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to answer some of your questions.
I've tried several mics with the various RP unit, RE-10, Sm57, Beta57, SM58, Beta58, WM,98, Sennheiser 441, Sennheiser 421, AKG D50.
I had the best result by going to my mackie board into the digitech and back into the mainboard. I've tried hiZ plugs too. The rp400 and v300 have xlr plugs and they work MUCH better than the other units.
You're wrong about what the audience thinks. If you're music is top notch or at least at a level the audience can understand then tone doesn't matter. You say people can tell the difference between Jason, Adam and Popper... the audience would be keyed into style not tone and unless you put them all in the same room on the same stage at the same time would the audience be able to tell the difference. And in that case most people would say they like one over the other juxtaposed to his tone is bad and his isn't... the audience simply doesn't care.
Would an audience think any differently if howard levy played a stock marine band vs one of his filiskos? Nope, they listen to his music, feel his energy and will enjoyed it the same. Equipment doesn't matter. Tone doesn't matter. Music does.
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KeithE
23 posts
Jul 25, 2009
5:52 PM
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Richard Hunter (author of "Jazz Harp") is using the RP350, and has some videos up on youtube - http://www.youtube.com/user/lightninrick#play/uploads
You can listen and come to your own conclusions. He writes about the older models on http://www.hunterharp.com/ampset3.html and has samples up there as well, and some sample patches.
Brendan Power is using a Korg Pandora PX5 in some capacity.
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Zhin
321 posts
Jul 25, 2009
7:16 PM
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Wow. Didn't expect this old thread to pop up. I don't use amp emulator units anymore. It is in my personal belief that the info I originally posted is no longer useful because it doesn't work as well as I'd like it to and there are better people to ask about these things. I prefer real tube amps now. ;p
Though if anyone asks who I think knows best about amp emulators, I'd say go check out what Richard Hunter has to offer. He's most likely the most experienced person in this area (using harp with digital multi-fx units and amp emulators). He has custom patches too which I helped him a little bit with (specifically the Champ model setup).
FYI, I'm not being paid or anything like that by Richard.
You can find him here:
http://www.hunterharp.com/
A lot of good reads including interviews with pro harp players!
Oh and for those of you who must be wondering, I believe Chris Michalek now. I take lessons from him these days and call him my friend.
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http://www.youtube.com/harmonicazhin
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