KingoBad
16 posts
Feb 04, 2009
11:16 AM
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Any tips for someone struggling with a 3 hole draw bend vibrato? I am loving Adam's new Sanctified Blues lessons and could help but be amazed by his 3 draw bend vibrato. Perhaps any tips on bending vibrato at all would help. Hand effects are nice and all, but I would like to be able to do it mic'd too.
Thanks.
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isaacullah
31 posts
Feb 04, 2009
11:43 AM
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I find diaphram vibratto works best with bent notes. My throat vibratto isn't the best though, so I may be using my diphram vibratto, which is pretty decent compared to my throat vibratto, as a "crutch" in these situations. Another thing that might work is Chris Michalek's "Tongue Vibratto" since it's basically just altering the strength of a small bend anyway... Look that up on his YouTube channel if you want more info....
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mickil
9 posts
Feb 04, 2009
1:05 PM
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KingoBad,
For what it's worth, here's what I think you should try, and if I'm patronizing you, forgive me; I don't know where you're at with your playing:
1) Watch Adam's YouTube lesson on throat vibrato, number 3. He explains it in such a way that you can visualise what's going on inside your throat to produce the sound. In a later video, he talks about the 2 draw whole-step bend and gut vibrato, which is an extension of the topic. His lesson helped me where books had failed.
2) Try the technique on different key harps; you might find that you can crack it more easily on one of them, at least I found that to be the case with just a plain old 3 draw half-step bend.
3) Some people suggest that it is easier to hit that note in the first place if you articulate it. I use the letter K; it seems to give it a brilliant, gutsy attack.
4) Lastly, have the patience of a single mother with 5 children. I think that we all need that more than anything in order to master this little instrument.
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'If it sounds GOOD to you, it's bitchen; if it sounds BAD to YOU, it's shitty' - Frank Zappa
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GermanHarpist
65 posts
Feb 04, 2009
1:21 PM
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To give my 5 cents to the discussion:
I do throat vibrato not very good. In the case (pretty rarely) that I can hold the bent note with vibrato on, there is a strong alteration in pitch just as in volume. Thus it has a very different feeling to the vibrato done to an unbent note. Ronnie Shellist demonstrates that nicely in one of his videos.
However the three hole bend vibrato done by Adam hasnt got this alteration in pitch at all. It is a perfectly smooth vibrato and sounds just like a vibrato on an unbent note. Thus i believe that he does the vibrato with his diaphram and not his throat. But I could be wrong.
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KingoBad
18 posts
Feb 04, 2009
2:08 PM
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I can hit all of the bends with relative ease. My throat vibrato is pretty good, I can hit a decent vibrato on the 1 hole bent draw with throat vibrato. It is particularly when I am using that fine mouth articulation to hit the correct notes on the 3 draw bends that I am finding a throat vibrato ineffective. I waggle the note sharp and flat or just plain derail the note. Perhaps I am just not disciplined enough to hold the note with a throat vibrato and travel too far in amplitude. My diaphragm vibrato sucks. I can use it while singing very well. I just can't get it to translate to harp. Perhaps that is my issue. I do use the Michalek type vibrato on higher and softer notes and it does a beautiful job - very clean and bright. However, my goal is that Gussow Groan on the 3 pull.
Last Edited by on Feb 04, 2009 2:09 PM
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Andrew
96 posts
Feb 04, 2009
9:50 PM
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Diaphragm for me, until I decide I want to change. Diaphragm vibrato doesn't interfere either with your embouchure or your throat.
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Warbleman
51 posts
Feb 05, 2009
7:38 PM
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When adding vibrato to a bent note, Jason Ricci simply raises and lowers his jaw. I've adapted it into my playing and I really like it.
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BluTed
7 posts
Feb 05, 2009
10:41 PM
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Three hole draw - on an A - the only throat vibrato that I can decently manage at the moment. Just started playing around with it recently. Had previously assumed such mechanics were somehow genetic and if it didn't just happen, I must not have the right natural tools. Then read here that if one practices regularly, it may develop, so I'm working on it a little every day. Blows me away to hear it done on a normal F harp - woh.
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Preston
119 posts
Feb 06, 2009
5:21 AM
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I do the jaw raise and lower now to. I first did it and thought it was kind of like cheating. Stupid wasn't I? One of the best is giving us a trick of the trade and I am setting there thinking that is taking the way easy way out, and that I needed throat vibrato. Then Adam commented on all the various ways to do vibrato and I finally surrendered.
By the way I can do a fairly decent throat vibrato on bent notes, but the jaw raise/lower is sooo much easier I don't even try the throat vibrato anymore.
I can do diaphragm vibrato, but it is really quick. I can't seem to slow it down. Need to get of the computer and go practice.
Last Edited by on Feb 06, 2009 5:22 AM
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GermanHarpist
73 posts
Feb 06, 2009
7:16 AM
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@Preston: can you show your jaw vibrato (on a bent note) in the next video you post. I have difficulties imagining how it is supposed to be done/sound. Maybe you could compare it to the other vibratos (diaphragm, throat) that you use. Or which vibratos you use on which holes etc.
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Last Edited by on Feb 06, 2009 7:20 AM
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Preston
120 posts
Feb 06, 2009
2:25 PM
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I will see what I can do.
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