I hear what you're saying, but I refer you back to what I said in the other post. Same argument, same line of thought.
Those clips didn't move me like that lady's playing did. Maybe it's horses for courses - taste. Your taste is no better or worse than mine or anyone else's. Unless we decide to elevate ourselves in that regard, with that 'tacit and inveterate' agreement stuff I mentioned before. Stravinsky's phrase - though, admittedly, taken out of context - not mine. ---------- 'If it sounds GOOD to you, it's bitchen; if it sounds BAD to YOU, it's shitty' - Frank Zappa
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I'm just sharing what I think is sensitive and beautiful playing. Tollak is great and he's one of the very few players that can be considered big time.
Both players in this video are players that I feel have that *IT* quality to them.
In each of these clips there is a certain standard of musicianship that is being met whereas Christelle isn't meeting them. I admit both players in the vids have a distinct advantage of actually being ON the gig.
Listen to Tollak and his phrasing... it moves WITH the music and it weaves in and out of it. He's tone is even and his use of vibrato is appropriate for the song.
Herblin is the same way but I comment less because it's HIS tune. Christelle's lines don't make sense when played with the music. I would have liked her video more if she wasn't playing along with the video. By herself she's fine but with Peter? PUKE.
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I'm just saying that to little old me, that lady's playing knocked the pants off of those clips.
Few composers or performers can give me goose bumps. Bach's solo violin and cello stuff does for me; Beethoven's late string quartets do it for me; some blues does it for me. Those clips didn't do it for me.
Like I say, it's a matter of taste - or preconceived expectations of how something should sound, depending on your listening experiences. ---------- 'If it sounds GOOD to you, it's bitchen; if it sounds BAD to YOU, it's shitty' - Frank Zappa
so......fresh perspective.....i could say that Tim Byrne is horrible compared to Rodney Mullen....But, DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!! It doesn't take a genius to know that!!!!!!!!
But wait! Tim Byrne is acctually a great skater...... so he isn't horrible. Is he? or is he just horrible when compared to a master like Rodney Mullen?
Same thing with Christelle?
Maybe you shouldn't compare her to a "Genius" such as yourself. ---------- ---Go Bears!!! (Richard Dent for Hall of Fame)---
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Chris, these clips were very cool and shows a dimension I do not view often enough in my Chicago Blues preference. There is a beauty and finesse that grabs you in these styles.
Christelle is fine too. She is fine in a few ways, but I digress. Has a neat Moon River video I sort of like.
Thanks for sharing. And opinions are like.. Well.. Noses. Everyone has one. Except perhaps Michael Jackson.
Buddha- I'm noticing a cause of general dispute between you and other members of the forum is a total stylistic difference- Most of these harp players (like me) love the sound of harp and like to hear it slightly on top of or above the band, while you seem to appreciate the subtle yet less common way a harmonica player can blend more like other instruments and musicians (possibly due to your dislike of the sound of harmonica). Just speculating.... ---------- "Without music, life would be a mistake" -Nietzsche
It's not so much the stylistic difference as it is overall musician ship. If I were picking videos that were sensitive and beautiful on my personal scale it wouldn't be those listed above. I picked those because I like them and they involve the harmonica played at a very high level. Some of you may have noticed I didn't post a video of Howard Levy....
There is a general standard for all musicians that you can hear across all well played instruments. I used to think the harmonica was an exception but it is not. Certainly not when guys like Tollak Olstead, Toots, Howard, William Galison all meet the standard. So that says to me, that most harmonica players in general are subpar as musicians. Before any of you take offense, musician doesn't equal artist. Rules can be broken when you're an artist ie Big Walter Horton, Little Walter etc... they define a certain way of playing that is purely acceptable within the boundaries of the blues.
The problem is for most part, they try to take their blues sound and interject it into other forms of music that often require a higher standard of musicianship.
In blues, there the root note is often emphasized especially by harmonica players. It sounds so cool and earthy in blues and that way of playing is appropriate however if a harp player try to play even a simple jazz blues he wouldn't sound jazzy because he playing by the wrong "rules"
For most forms of music, playing the Roots is the bassists job. Beginning players are taught to emphasize the 3rds and 7ths of the scale. More advanced players are playing 9th, 11th, 13ths and 15th. Test yourself.... When you think of C chord what is the first note that pops into your head? Most here would say C, myself I immediately think E, G or D depending on where I am on the harmonica.
It's about musicianship and artistry Patrick. I believe in playing appropriately as required by the tune. On top of that, there needs to be a certain emotional quality to the playing. Listen to Tollak, whether or not you enjoy the music, there is no doubt he is musicially connected to the music and the audience. It's the whole picture that matters.
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Buddha : Good harp players but not what I really like. Maybe it's my loss but I think there are a lot of players and styles that I would consider to be sensitive and beautiful players. One that immediately comes to mind is Mickey Raphael whom I think really adds to Willie Nelsons sound. People who are not harp players probably don't hear it.
Likes and preferences in music cannot be thrust upon anyone. I happen to like what I like. Same with wine ie there is great wine and wine that most people drink and still enjoy.
With musical tastes it can be that most of us like to hear music we love and can relate to even if only played by a reasonable player ie better than the listener. This for me would be in preferenceto to having to listen to some esoteric less known piece played by a genius. Mind you my version of an esoteric unknown piece might be someone elses favourite hit.
Hey Chris, this might be beautiful and sensitive music but it's not doing it for me. These guys are obviously top notch musicians but I'm afraid the sound I want to play and hear is not this stuff. I think the reason most of us came to this site was partly Adam and partly the name "Modern Blues Harmonica". To me this is not modern blues harmonica.
I have read most of your posts and listened to some of your playing and customisation vids and man, you do know your stuff and I and most others here respect your views. But at the end of the day, I and, I would imagine alot of other people here love to listen to blues and as technically sensitive and beautiful as this may be, it wouldn't get more than 5 seconds listening from me if it came on the radio.
Now before you get mad and tell me that I wouldn't know a good tune if it slapped me round the head, let me say that I have read your comments above and know that you are sharing these vids to show us an example of good musicianship and we thank you for it.
However I'm allowed to be a narrow-minded blues player who just wants to play and listen to blues and although I know you won't agree that that's a good thing...I am very happy to be just that.
Did I mention that this is just my humble opinion?
"However I'm allowed to be a narrow-minded blues player who just wants to play and listen to blues and although I know you won't agree that that's a good thing...I am very happy to be just that."
Why do you think I'm closed minded? I love ALL good music. I love blues too, I especially love to play it for a set or so. I just can't handle it all night because it becomes boring to me.
I posted these videos as an addendum to the christelle vid to demonstrate what I think is good musicianship with in the contexts of a song.
Hey Chris...I don't think you are closed minded, quite the opposite, from what I have read and heard. I also know exactly why you posted the vids and like I said, thank you.
I'm really just saying that the music these guys are playing isn't for me. Have you got any vids of some beautiful and sensitive blues players? I might find that more relevant.
I thought I had some book marked but I can't find them anymore. These videos actually weren't my first choice.
If you're asking about my favorite blues harmonica player it's Big Walter Horton. The very first harmonica album I ever bought was Big Walter and Carey Bell. I hated it... but eventually I came around and learned to love it. I spent weeks learning every song on there. I haven't played that style in years but I learned to tongue block because of Big Walter... you can really hear the sensitivity in his playing.
Otherwise, I'm very much into ethnic music and would most likely pick a recording of a Chinese vocalist or some european violinist or cellist
Chris, "Live at the Knickbocker" Big Walter and Sugar Ray...the first proper Blues Album I was given to listen to by my harp teacher and I've got to say my favorite. I have to agree that it took a few listens to to appreciate but at that time I was playing "Oh Susanna" pretty well and thought I was hot shit. Do you feel sensitivity is essential for the blues? Aren't there some songs where you just want to let rip ...just make a great big noise that sounds good? That's what I like about the harp ...I suppose it's an oral anti-depressant that you don't have to swallow. I grew up in Northern Ireland in the 70s and 80s listening to punk and that anarchy of sound is what i really love. Listening to Sugar Ray blasting his harp during the solo on "Country Girl" on the album above to me is like listening to a guitar solo from "Never Mind the Bollocks" by the Sex Pistols...just heaven.
I believe sensitivity is essential for all the creative arts. I love musicians who are on the edge of exploding or crying or laughing when they play. It's a tangible feeling and something I really look/listen for when I'm listening to music, reading a book, looking at art.
To me sensitivity is the doorway to dynamics. I was just telling another person yesterday, that as I get better at music, my emotions get more extreme. As I get more extreme, new pathways open and old ones close but I am constantly becoming more and more creative, more and more connected to all things.
We are all energy beings and emotions are a manifestation of energy. The more we accept our energistic self, the more our emotions blend to create the by product we call the creative arts.
I could not agree with you more. Being sensitive is essential. That's what it's all about! In order to interpret, you need to have sensitivity. When you are playing, you must feel the music completely to the point that it moves you, and then the audience will be moved in turn.
Sounds like Jazz. The type of Jazz meant for pretentious wankers. Or the type meant for muzak. He might be doing technically advanced stuff, but the music has no life or emotional appeal for me.
Just about everybody's taste in music differs that why ipods are so great as we don't have to listen to someone else's loud 'awful' music.
I think that sensitivity is extremely important but difficult to detect or even try to listen to if the style or genre is not what you like.
Music & tunes (played sensitively) that move me emotionally get others riled ie 'turn that crap down'. Thats why I love my ipod.
At a concert it would be different, to an extent, ie sensitive emotional delivery will/should produce an appreciative emotive response from an audience of fans.
However I have received complimentary tickets to shows where without doubt the 'paying fans' loved the music - but it bored me to tears! One such show was Cliff Richard who had a stadium sellout comprising his adoring fans & I received tickets from a member of the band. Obviously a well liked artist but one whose music I would not bother to have in my collection.
We must all like the Blues though? Well not all the Blues. For me I detect sensitivity in something like Adams 'Front Porch Blues' but Whammer Jammer how can that be played sensitively?
Yes, emotion. Every emotion. Believe it or not, I get very emotional when playing Whammer Jammer. I don't know why but i always get that goosebump feeling when I hear it. You know when you feel like the world is stretching in front of you, like tunnel-vision. That high feeling. I Almost cry when i play it. Joy though, not "sad" cry.
Same thing with billy branch's "Take out the Tme". Butmany would say that is a sensitive song anyway.
Were all just different though.
I also get Extremely emotional when i see Charles Tillman block a punt. I usually do cry then. ---------- ---Go Bears!!! (Richard Dent for Hall of Fame)---
I agree with 100% with your last post (6:42 AM) above. Since you and I don't always see eye to eye, it's nice to be able to say that.
For the record, when I'm in the recording studio, I am crazy/edgy and impossible to get along with. I'm definitely riding an edge: I want to play perfectly and with complete flow and inspiration at every moment, in sync with what's going on. Get in my way and I feel like tearing your head off. I drink in order to help create the flow state. Since my adrenaline levels are ridiculously high, I can maintain reflex sharpness even when drinking.
Of course, it's possible to play the other way. I played a whole concert in Klingenthal stone-cold sober--darn it!--and felt as though I never found the groove. But listening to it later, it still had some of the wild energy, and the things I didn't like onstage weren't nearly as important as I thought they were when I was in the middle of them.
Amen Gussow. There are definately a few screws loose in all of us. Or maybe we just have a few "Extra" screws bobbing around in there. ---------- ---Go Bears!!! (Richard Dent for Hall of Fame)---
I get like that too when I'm working on something that I feel NEEDS to be at my personal level of "absolute perfection"... I have a sign on my door with big red letters saying "DO NOT DISTURB" when I'm working on a project. It's nice to know I'm not the only one with massive anger issues when on "serious" work mode.
I get massive adrenaline as well on stage, to the point that my hands are shaking violently and my heart is pounding so hard I can actually hear it internally through my ears... but it's not like I feel like folding or running away. Total opposite actually... I feel "strong" but extremely shaky and twitchy when the adrenaline is pumping. I take a few shots too to equalize things.
I've played a set that stunk so bad because I was sober and reluctant to mess up my gig... then during set 2 I couldn't take it anymore and just downed a few shots... did so much better! I was told that I looked more at ease and at home at that point.
I don't like it though, using alcohol like that. Certainly not something I'd encourage. lol
I wonder if this is a harp player thing or a manifestation of being a disciple of the Gussow school of modern blues... :p
Jaybird, I find it condescending that you think it's amusing that some of us take a shot before getting on stage. That's some superiority complex you got there.
I find it even more offensive that you got the nerve to label it as "inspiration" on my behalf. Real smart, just jump to conclusions and dismiss anything that some of us have already said. Inspiration? This may be the case for some but for me it has NOTHING to do with inspiration.
And to say that we're glamorizing alcohol? That's really shallow. I don't think Adam or me were glamorizing it. Just talking about the what is and how it goes for some of us.
It wasn't meant to be advice or any implication that one should drink to play better. That's just STUPID.
You must think the MBH members are a group of morons. Like, if Adam drinks, everyone wants to drink too. Just how stupid do you think people are?
Read the words carefully. Some of us drink because we need to DUMB DOWN the hyper speed and adrenaline that we feel. It's not a crutch or any source of inspiration. I personally wasn't encouraging anyone.
I understand that you don't want people to drink because some people say they do and that's fine. Just don't try to be a know-it-all by making assumptions about someones personal life and choices.
I foresee that in the future I'll be a lot more hesitant to share personal stories here. I can't even casually talk about what I do or who I am without someone jumping in giving me shit for something I wasn't even doing. What the hell man.
FYI, my last 2 recorded gigs that I put on Youtube was played completely 100% sober.
this forum is getting to wound up in finding real or imagined grievances against them or others.
does it really matter what some do or dont do or say about somebody who doesn't do or does do something? (yea. sort of confused me, too! maybe adam can correct this sentence.)
it's just a hobby/recreational activity for most of us. (i mean the harp and not the drinking.)
There's humor in the bottle; that's why AA folks chuckle a lot as they tell their stories. There's also, for some people, a lot of grief. That's why some AA folks chuckle ruefully and some cry. All these emotions are part of the blues life. I wrote about such things in an essay in JOURNEYMAN'S ROAD entitled "Playing the Booze." I took an honest inventory of what I'd gained and lost by drinking.
As far as personal behavior goes, I enjoy a drink or two, but I detest hangovers, especially when they tail me into my morning runs. The combination of these two things tends to curb any tendency I might have to overindulge.
Booze has always been part of the lore of the blues harmonica. One contemporary player, I've been told, has blown up to a weight far in excess of what he should be carrying and is drinking himself into the ground. Several other great ones are reformed alcoholics.
I try hard to tolerate a wide range of personal behavior, since I dislike it when people tell me what I ought to be doing or not doing.
There's a romance to drinking. That's why most people start drinking. The romance wears off. That's one of the hard truths people tempted by the romance would be wise to remember.
The simple fact is, some of the very best playing I've ever put down on CD was made when I was quite high on vodka and adrenaline. It's also true that I've made 175 YouTube videos, including the popular "North Mississippi Blues Harp Lesson," and all but one of them was made when I was stone-cold sober. The one that I made when I'd had two gin & tonics--the Bassman-fetish video--is the only one I don't like and have effectively hidden from view. Make of that what you will.
Jaybird I'd like to believe you're being sincere with your apology but it's kinda hard to when you say things like:
"I do not believe I pointed my finger in blame at anyone in particular, knowing of course that when you point an accousing finger at another, there are three fingers pointing back at the accouser."
So what are you apologizing for then?
And by the way, that's exactly what happened. You "accused" someone of something and the fingers got pointed back at you. The difference between you and me is that I don't see a point in sugar coating. Knowing WHERE the person is coming from can be glaringly obvious. There is no way in hell your post was not a response to either Adam's or mine.
You said what you said due to the posts on alcohol. I don't care if that's the technical definition of accusing or not.
Look, we could talk semantics ALL DAY but I'd rather drive a screwdriver through my hand than do that.
This is not a courtroom, I don't care about formalities and wordplay. I know what you meant and you know that I know, so quit putting up a show on the forums.
You made your opinion, I made mine.
If you don't think you did anything wrong, please don't condescend me further with an insincere apology. You really don't need to. Say what you mean and stick with it please.
As for the rest of you who are over-reacting to me participating in a discussion, YOU chill out please. I'm not pissed of. I'm just talking with deliberation. If you don't like negativity, let me be childish and say that Jaybird did start it with the negativity. So get off my back.
I was amiably relating to some posts before that!
"You have a right to your opinion and I respect that. If my previous post is read carefully, it is clear that I only gave my opinion without slamming anybody."
You sure slammed me and other people who drink.
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Adam, your bassman fetish video was my all-time favorite video on your channel. I've watched it repeatedly, far more than any video you put up.
I know why you don't like it. It's easy to JUDGE a person with a sense of humor and passion like yours. I get it. My wife doesn't get it no matter how many times she's watched it with me though. :p
Neither of us found it creepy at all. Quirky yes. :)
I think it's a shame that as you get more known you have to protect what's personal and be more secretive about your wild and wonderful personality... I respect what you gotta do though so it's all good.
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And Jaybird, yes I took offense to what you said but it's ok. I don't hate you and I won't chase you down to harress you on each topic or find reasons to argue with you.
I feel obligated to point out that Jaybird and Jaybird803 are two different people.
I briefly read through this thread and noticed the spat with Jaybird803. I get a weird feeling when I see other MBH members simply calling him "Jaybird", because that's ME.
I hope "803" isn't offended by my remark. I just need to clarify things.
I already said what I meant. You're not significant enough for me to hate on. Life is too short for petty things like that. It's VERY narcissistic of you to think I really don't have better things to do. ROFL.
An apology is absolutely meaningless if you don't mean it. You knew that... right?
I'm not asking you to beg, I'm just asking you to be honest. If you paid attention to my post I said you can dignify yourself by NOT apologizing to STICK TO YOUR ARGUMENT.
And by the way, when I use BOLD letters it's not to "shout". I use it to emphasize certain words that I think you may miss.
I don't quite get what you mean about me not seeing the humor in anything... Last I checked I was giggling my ass off over how alcohol is used by certain harp players. You're the one who came in and started preaching by starting your sentence with something like "I know I shouldn't preach.."
I fail to see what you mean when you say I don't have a sense of humor. And I fail to see ANY sense of humor in you at the same time. You're starting to make me think you're not even talking deliberately, you're just reacting and trying to twist everything I say in hopes that it'll make me look like a jack ass.
I'm actually a very humorous person. I think I'm funny. You may not think I am and that's cool too. You probably just don't realize it but if you read VERY slowly though you may catch something! ;)
Umn, if you don't want to believe my statement then... ok!
I'm not gonna lose any sleep over that I ASSURE you. :p
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I can't help but ask- I've searched for the bassman fetish video and can't find it. Is it still up? ---------- "Without music, life would be a mistake" -Nietzsche
Sadly, no. It's set on private because Adam deemed it too personal.
The whole video is a good laugh if you get his sense of humor and satire. It's almost like you're hanging out with Adam and checking out his amp with him. He jokes around A LOT on it.
Poor guy gets people biting him in the ass for having a little fun with the cam though. That's why it's private now and in the end us viewers lose out because some idiots just don't get it when the video itself is tagged as "satire".
It IS an excellent example of high quality playing but what's even more important is HOW the band is interacting with each other.
I wonder if he wasn't a balding old man with a beard, maybe female instead with a rack with some cleavage... would the naysayers be singing a different tune about that player? :)
I think even the most hardcore Blues loyalists should be able to notice WHY this is excellent playing.
Remember the rules about jamming and playing the blues?
To have big ears, to REALLY dig in and listen to what the rest of the band is playing. Even BB King has to do it, nobody is an exception of this rule. You live and die by it if you want to play in a band.
The laws of improvisation DEMAND for this skill.
A backing track will NEVER keep you on your toes. You can pretend, you can try, but it's nothing more than an illusion of a safety bubble.
The reality of it is that when you play with a band, you may not always predict what's going on. In fact, you usually can't if you're a real blues player who takes pride in improvising. Even if it's just a 1-4-5 blues progression, there's still a lot of uncontrollable factors. THE MIX. The guitar player might decide to take a solo without informing the band before the jam/gig... or maybe someone is actually doing something very interesting in the mix who needs to be heard, that's your cue to stop playing or use a filler like those 3 note trumpet riffs.
Trust me, I'm being polite about it. Real guitar players will chew you up and spit you back out in pieces if you step all over them by being a total amateur harp player (by not paying attention to the mix). You can always tell when they play waaaaaaay too many notes without leaving ANY spaces or sustaining/swelling any notes of interest. Hey, it's a harmonica, we're supposed to play with the harmonics.
A person who plays too many notes when IT'S NOT A SOLO SPACE, is usually a person who isn't listening to the band.
A person who insists on playing too many notes because they assume it's more technically challenging than playing less notes should re-evaluate where they really stand. To think you are any less skillful because you're choosing less notes to play is pretty damn dumb.
Try to follow me on this. Think of a modern oil painter. The worst ones are the ones who use more than 10 colors. Like maybe 20. What you get is a mushy looking picture with too much to the point that the large combination of colors mix into gross shades of brown and black. The best painters only need 3 to 6 colors and they come up with fantastic vibrant pieces which look like they've been painted with 100 colors... Good painters are known for that, being able to mix basic colors right on the canvas as they go. The kind that will make anyone stop and take a look even just for a second compared to the mushed up brown gunky looking painting with too many paints.
It's also not easy to paint with a limited set of colors. Being able to mix certain colors to get that exact shade of color is extremely difficult. To me, BB King is like that painter who can take 3 colors and multiply far beyond the capacity of my imagination right now. So for those of you who never liked BB King and wonder what's all the racket about him, this is the reason why. He listens to the band and he doesn't need to over play but he WILL when it's the right song and solo space.
It's extremely rude and a waste of other peoples time and money if you just indulge and block out all the other players. You will not be called back. Nobody wants to share the cost of renting a jam studio or pay for bar rent for selfish overplaying. Keep it up and you'll be stuck with players who won't be able to help you improve.
A live band isn't a backing track. They are musicians/individuals like you. They want to have their parts too and the ones who are good are GENUINELY interested in making the music work WITH you. You are more than obligated to meet the same standards as these gracious people who let you in on playing with the band in the first place. So the assumption is that you SHOULD be on your toes and work towards being a player who can adapt as quickly as possible. That way, when the band decides to be creative and really have fun, it's going to feel more like an extreme sport (in a fun sorta way) than playing an instrument. Backing tracks don't do that. I can bet all my harps that Magic Dick plays and composes his music so damn well BECAUSE he's had his fill on band dynamics and improvisation.
This means, you REALLY need to listen to the band AS you play and create. The only time you're allowed to ignore them is when it's a solo space. Even then you still need to be aware of how many bars you should only play.
That guy in the video sounds like you could throw anything at him and he can just laugh it off with his harp competantly and deliberately.
As far as how relevant this music style is to us Blues hounds, let me just offer you a perspective. As far as I'm concerned, some of the BEST blues guitar men that ever graced this planet are guys who can play other styles outside of blues with very little trouble.
I personally consider Stevie Ray Vaughan and Carlos Santana as those kind of guys.
Why should a harp player do any less if he wants to achieve greatness through his instrument? Why is it such a stigma to play something outside of Blues once in a while? You think Jason Ricci is Jason Ricci because all he ever played is blues and only blues? Of course not! He messes with as much as he can get his hands on. Even ethnic music!
Big ears and flexibility man. That's something to aspire for.
You are playing music, a sonic art which has a lot to do with TIME. This means ultimately regardless of what notes or how many notes you know, it's all useless if you don't know the right time WHEN and WHERE to place them.
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"So for those of you who never liked BB King and wonder what's all the racket about him, this is the reason why. He listens to the band and he doesn't need to over play but he WILL when it's the right song and solo space."
How could a person like blues, and not like BB?? Is that even possible?
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oldwailer, I used to be one of those brats that blurted "what's the big deal about BB King!? he old!". I was more into Hendrix and Winter... Thinking about it now I would have given MYSELF a backhand for even spewing such an atrocity if I went back in time! lol
I'm having a glass of southern comfort. I like my drinks sweet and fruity. Cheers to the rest of you who are drinking. *clink* :)
@Jaybird803, Come on man, there are lots of us on here, and we don't always get along. I think that once or twice I may have sounded like a pompous prick, or been a bit too sensitive. We've all got our faults, but we all do more good than harm on here. Cheers, Mick ---------- 'If it sounds GOOD to you, it's bitchen; if it sounds BAD to YOU, it's shitty' - Frank Zappa
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