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Baker
21 posts
May 12, 2009
1:48 AM
Hi all,
I brought a new E harp yesterday as my old one was really leaky.
This one plays great, the only problem it that when I bend the 2 draw I get the notes but I also a king of glassy squealing sound.

Any ideas on what might be going on and how to fix it?

Thanks in advance.

Baker
The Gloth
30 posts
May 12, 2009
2:21 AM
Same problem with my new Eb Special20. Don't know where it comes from. Maybe the reed is too close from the plate (or too far) ?
Bluzdude46
47 posts
May 12, 2009
6:42 AM
Does sound like reed alignment. I was taught to take out the reedplate and look at the offending reed with a light source on the other side to sillouhette the reed to see if it is aligned well in the slot. If not may need to be adjusted.
The Gloth
35 posts
May 12, 2009
7:01 AM
I thought that was something like this. But how can you adjust the reed ? As it seems to be welded that way.
Baker
22 posts
May 12, 2009
7:11 AM
Thanks Bluzdude,

do I need to look at the blow or the draw reed?
DaDoom
94 posts
May 12, 2009
7:46 AM
I think Bluzdude's approach is correct. Hold it against a light source and see if the reed is parallel to the reed slot or if it touches the slot somewhere.

I'd say you need to check the draw reed. But since you have to take it apart: check em both ;)

As for adjusting the reed: if it's riveted it shouldn't be a problem. Just gently push it into the right position. If it's welded: no clue what you can do.

Last Edited by on May 12, 2009 8:01 AM
jonsparrow
286 posts
May 12, 2009
11:49 AM
i seen a video some where on youtube saying there could be little "burs" or something on the side of the reed. so you take like a real thin.....um....i forget what there called its those things that have differnt gauge metal things that are used to messure clearence when doing a head gasket on a car. but you take one of those an slide it in an out aganst the side of the reed on both sides. then check in the light to see if it looks good. ill see if i can find the video....
scstrickland
64 posts
May 12, 2009
4:38 PM
Is this it Jonsparrow?

Buddha
411 posts
May 12, 2009
4:51 PM
squealing generally has nothing to do with embossing.

Keep trying.
jonsparrow
287 posts
May 12, 2009
5:28 PM
no thats not the one im thinking of. a feeler gauge was the name of the tool im thinking of. that what he used on the side of the reeds.

Last Edited by on May 12, 2009 5:29 PM
chromaticblues
70 posts
May 13, 2009
6:29 AM
Yes a feeler gauge .002" thick. put it through the gap on the opposite side the reed is attached at about a 45 degree angle. Good luck!!
I've acually took the reed out before and cleaned up the slot. And that didn't work. This happens for different reasons. If it is a burr its easy.
Bluzdude46
50 posts
May 13, 2009
9:58 AM
if it is a draw where you are getting the squeal look at that plate if a blow look at that plate, look at all of the reeds with them backlit. It doesn't necessarily have to be the reed you are blowing or drawing if it is misaligned I THINK vibrations can still produce nasty sounds. If you find a reed misaligned try to straighten the reed but only use a tool to press against the riveted end where it is square, by putting a little pressure on the near(reed end not rivet end) corners of the square until it is aligned. Testing for burs always a good idea.

Last Edited by on May 13, 2009 9:59 AM
Andrew
317 posts
May 13, 2009
1:16 PM
When I emboss I've noticed a tendency for the 3 draw reed to rotate a tiny amount anticlockwise on its rivet. I use the ball end of a tuning fork and I'm very careful to keep it straight, but I don't take the reed plate off the comb to do it. Anyone noticed a similar problem?
The 2 draw, if I over-emboss, rights itself by being plinked, but this is understandable, as it is always heavier than the 3. The 3 is light enough to have problems and to require rotating back into position, something I'd rather not have to do.

Last Edited by on May 13, 2009 1:17 PM
Bluzdude46
51 posts
May 13, 2009
1:52 PM
Andrew, you may be having a bit of the same problem. I would always take the plate off and check alignment before you start. It may be wrong out of the box and by embossing you are making it worse. In any case make sure you push the reed down into the slot as you emboss. If you hold it straight down into the slot it should be ok. Unless you are embossing heavier on one side then the other, in that case the shape of the slot is changing not the position of the reed

Last Edited by on May 13, 2009 1:55 PM
Andrew
322 posts
May 13, 2009
11:57 PM
The way I straighten a misaligned reed is by putting a slip of paper under it (they are always draw reeds - I don't touch blow reeds yet) and then using the flat edge of a penknife blade pressed along the long edge of the reed it seems to work.

I've noticed when I open new MBs, even MBDs, there's often scrape damage to the reeds (sometimes quite deep gouges) from where they remove the plates from the jig, I assume. And that damage is diagonal in such a direction that it would rotate a reed anticlockwise.
MrVerylongusername
305 posts
May 14, 2009
6:27 AM
Andrew, I always assumed marks like that were from the hand tuning the harps get - it's most harps, not just Marine Bands
chromaticblues
72 posts
May 14, 2009
8:05 AM
I think you are all right, but it isn't always a burr or misaligned. I don't believe anyway. I've had trouble with this. I 'm beginning to believe it's from the reed not being striaght! I seem to have had some luck with this lately.
I put a thick feeler gauge under the reed and roll it gently with a socket. You have to go easy and reset the gap after.
Budda am I imagining this or that it?


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