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Modes and Scale
Modes and Scale
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Arbite
60 posts
Jun 21, 2009
11:24 AM
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I have ALOT of questions about scales and modes,
nr 1: is the Dorian 3rd position mode the Minor Scale that one should practice?
nr 2: in 12th pos what scales Should i practice,, I know that i should Practise ALL, but for know lets say i could only practise 2-3 scales per position,
The Lydian Mode Doesnt seem to do the Trick for me in 12th,
Thanks,
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Last Edited by on Jun 21, 2009 11:30 AM
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mickil
264 posts
Jun 21, 2009
12:10 PM
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For decades, players pretty much familiarised themselves with blues tonality just by using the first three positions; that may be the easiest way to go before trying to make sense of other positions.
Sometimes, when I read this forum, I get the impression that people are aware of what players like Buddha can do, and they think that that is what they should be doing, now. I don't mean to sound funny, but I sometimes think it does more harm than good.
Just enjoy your playing. It can take a very long time to really hear what's going on in your mind's ear, as it were; that is, to now how scales and the chords they are formed from should sound without thinking about it. You can learn that other stuff in time.
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'If it sounds GOOD to you, it's bitchen; if it sounds BAD to YOU, it's shitty' - Frank Zappa
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Jim Rumbaugh
52 posts
Jun 21, 2009
4:53 PM
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What have you got down so far??
My opinion, from a player of 8 years, self taught, intermediate level, lip purser. No overblows, but good bends.
I use 1st position for major scale tunes. traditional tunes. like Camptown Races, Wildwood Flower
I use 2nd position for Blues and rock. The Adam Gussow recomended Blues scale. Tunes like Sweet Home Chicago, And not blues scale on tunes like Have You Ever Seen the Rain. Rarely I will do a minor scale in 2nd position
I use 3rd position for most of my minor scale tunes like St James Infirmary, or Black Magic Woman. (so, yes, practice 3rd position Dorian mode)
I dabble in 4th position, doing the same minor scale tunes, higher up on the harp. The mode in 4th position gives the tunes a different feel,
The only 12th position tune I can think of is a Civil War era tune called Lorena. Don't use it much...yet.
So for me, I do not do all modes, all scales, in all positions. I do the easy stuff and have fun. In my group of harp playing friends, It's hard enough to get them to play a blues scale in 2nd position.
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Buddha
680 posts
Jun 21, 2009
5:19 PM
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Arbite,
I posted a backing track for the modes.
http://www.harmonicapros.com/music-tools/the_modes.mp3
You don't need to know how to bend notes to play along. Just start on blow 4 on your ice cube harp and change to the next note as the music changes.
you actually always play the same notes but you start on a different hole with each change of the music.
Learning the modes without context is difficult.
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mickil
267 posts
Jun 21, 2009
5:32 PM
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Buddha,
"Learning the modes without context is difficult."
I suppose that's what I was trying to say. I taught piano quite well for some time. I've been involved in music since around 1975. I know that it takes a while for most peoples' ears - the most important bit - to develop. But, that's often over looked.
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'If it sounds GOOD to you, it's bitchen; if it sounds BAD to YOU, it's shitty' - Frank Zappa
http://www.youtube.com/user/SlimHarpMick
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sopwithcamels266
125 posts
Jun 22, 2009
4:02 AM
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I am not trying to sound flippant or trying to create forms of ambiguity with my take on this.
Everything you play and work on must have immediate application. This is crucial. To me you should NEVER use the word practice irrespective of your level of playing.
Tell yourself you are always playing.The reasons should be obvious.
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wailing
3 posts
Jun 22, 2009
4:38 AM
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because i dig it.
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