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TBone69
56 posts
Jul 07, 2009
9:13 PM
Hey Folks,

I just picked up C Harmonica Book by James Major part of The Complete 10-hole Diatonic Harmonica Series. It's a Mel Bay publishing and ulike others I have seen it has some great information. Particularly on Scales, Chord structures and Appregios.

One thing I have always struggled to understand pertaining to a 12 Bar Blues progression is why the Bars are called Chords. I understand that for example and playing in C my I Chord is C, IV Chord is F and the V Chord is a G.

The definition of a Chord as I understood it was 3 or more notes played together. Well I guess you could play a "Chord" but most times it's single notes played seprately. So I just took it as "That's just the way it is".

So after glancing thru the chapter on Chords and Appregios I get to the definition of an Appregio. Appregios are chords played one note at a time insequence.

So a light bulb went off in my head and I thought AH HAAA, a Chord in a 12 Bar progession is called a Chord because it is an Appregiated Chord.

Am I more or less on the right track with my thinking?

Thanks
TBone
gene
211 posts
Jul 07, 2009
10:05 PM
You're getting close.

Bars aren't called chords. Certain chords are played during certain bars. You don't usually play a whole chord, but rather notes from that chord. I guess your term "appregiated chord" would fit that description.

Last Edited by on Jul 07, 2009 10:07 PM
Patrick Barker
357 posts
Jul 07, 2009
10:13 PM
The chords are usually referring to the backgrounds, and they aren't necessarily arpeggiated. For example, most the time the guitar and / or piano block the chords (play all the notes at the same time) while the bass might arpeggiate it or improvise some way to fit chord notes into a walking bass line.
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jonsparrow
599 posts
Jul 07, 2009
11:26 PM
Appregios are sooo sick on guitar. that guns n roses fan i mentioned in anouther thread can play them nicely. check this guy out though if your wondering what they are.

jonsparrow
600 posts
Jul 07, 2009
11:27 PM
jonsparrow
601 posts
Jul 07, 2009
11:28 PM
i cant imagine how hard it would be to do them fast on a harp. i bet jason could do it.
MrVerylongusername
400 posts
Jul 08, 2009
1:54 AM
That's a great book TBone69... enough to keep you busy in the woodshed for a very long time! My only criticism is I don't like the tab system, but then I never really liked tabs of any sort.

I've been going through some of those arpeggios too.

Remember, there are some chords that you cannot play on your regular diatonic - the most obvious one is the V in cross harp for instance. That's when those arpeggios come in handy.
Baker
28 posts
Jul 08, 2009
5:00 AM
@TBone69

To answer your question about the I, IV, V Chords.
The numbers relate to the position of the note in the scale.

The C major scale is: C - D - E - F - G - A - B

I Chord - is C and is the first note in the scale.
IV Chord - is F and is the forth note in the scale.
V Chord - is G and is the fifth note in the scale.

Make sense?
TBone69
57 posts
Jul 08, 2009
12:38 PM
All,

Thanks for the replies. I just got the book yesterday so I haven't had too much time to really read it yet, looking forward to doing some serious book reading tonight.

So even though the I, IV, V Chord is called a "Chord" it doesn't have to be a true Chord, ie C Major CEG played at once. I could play C E and G as seperate notes and it would still fit the I Chord?
TBone69
58 posts
Jul 08, 2009
12:40 PM
Oh and another thing. On the I chord or any chord for that matter do I have to start with the note of that chord or as long as it contains it does it still count?

For example if my root is C and my V chord is a G can I play G B D, B G D , D B G and have it still considered my V chord.

Or am I just think way too much about this?
jaymcc28
79 posts
Jul 08, 2009
1:00 PM
@TBone69: OK, in an effort to see if I'm understanding as well I'll take a stab at the last question and hope that some of the more experienced folk can confirm or correct me:
In the case you'r speaking about (standard I-IV-V progression) you'd be in either the 9th or 12th bar and be representing the V chord (G). You can really play any note from the chord (G,B,D). You don't HAVE to play the root note. Although the root represents the chord the best you could play just the B and/or D and it should sound fine and fit the progression.
scstrickland
122 posts
Jul 08, 2009
1:27 PM
MrV said

"Remember, there are some chords that you cannot play on your regular diatonic - the most obvious one is the V in cross harp"

on my C harp played in cross harp I-IV-V would be G-C-D isn't D the 4 draw?

Now that I typed all this I think I get what you are saying

there are 3 notes you can play at once to make a G chord and 3 to make the C but the 3 notes needed to play a D chord are not arranged on a harmonica in a way you can play all 3 at once so you have to "Represent" the chord. Or am I way off base
MrVerylongusername
412 posts
Jul 08, 2009
1:29 PM
That's it!
MrVerylongusername
413 posts
Jul 08, 2009
1:42 PM
Actually, you can play a D chord, it's a Dm, but in the right context it could fit. Because it is minor, in the Roman Numeral system it is represented by a lower case v
scstrickland
123 posts
Jul 08, 2009
1:45 PM
Ok so what 3 notes (I'll look up the holes draw or blow) would make a G chord a C chord and a Dm and could you explain more what you mean by right context. Does that mean occasionally but don't over do it, or maybe in a pinch but it's not preferred?
scstrickland
124 posts
Jul 08, 2009
1:48 PM
Oh, and for those of you that don't know about this resource. If you ever want to know what note you are playing check this out

http://harmopoint.com/index.php/harmokey
gene
212 posts
Jul 08, 2009
1:58 PM
Jon Gindick's "Rock n' Blues Harmonica" answers very well the questions being asked.
MrVerylongusername
414 posts
Jul 08, 2009
2:02 PM
Yeah kind of a brief passing thing, as long as you don't make a big deal out of it - before hitting some kind of arpeggio. The 1--4 octave is usually a safer option.

On a C harp:

G chord is GBD drawing on 123 gives you DGB (one of the inversions of the chord).

C chord is CEG blowing any three consecutive holes on the harp will give you a C chord or one of it's inversions.

Dm chord is DFA which you get drawing on 456

Last Edited by on Jul 08, 2009 2:05 PM
scstrickland
125 posts
Jul 08, 2009
3:03 PM
Thanks MrV and gene very helpful
The Gloth
140 posts
Jul 09, 2009
1:49 AM
By the way, isn't the word "Arpeggios" instead of "Appregios" ? In french we call these "Arpèges"...
gene
213 posts
Jul 09, 2009
1:52 AM
LOL
I dunno.
TBone69
59 posts
Jul 09, 2009
7:20 AM
Ok I think I am about 90% of the way there understanding it. I just some soak time and if I can ever get rid of this sinus infection I can get back to playing and practicing with all this new found knowledge.

Harp playing is addictive and I am on withdrawl!!


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