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1,000,000 ways to tab
1,000,000 ways to tab
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mickil
355 posts
Jul 11, 2009
2:16 PM
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I was just looking at the thread 'Overblow practice', which I'm not well qualified to contribute to, and I saw another way to tab stuff.
It gets confusing. Every time someone tabs something they have to give a key. I use the system that Mike Quill does, which goes way beyond single notes and bends:
http://www.angelfire.com/tx/myquill/Harmonica.html
Just curious. Is there a consensus in the wider harp community about how to tab stuff? And, I don't mean just single notes.
---------- 'If it sounds GOOD to you, it's bitchen; if it sounds BAD to YOU, it's shitty' - Frank Zappa
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Andrew
419 posts
Jul 11, 2009
2:18 PM
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Yeah, I couldn't be bothered to look up how to tab, so I invented my own way!
That's cos I don't like tabs - I prefer to read music, because tabs don't communicate rhythm.
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mickil
356 posts
Jul 11, 2009
2:30 PM
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Andrew,
I too prefer manuscript, but it can't be typed or e-mailed without buying software that the recipient owns.
In case you're interested, I've pasted the 'rhythm' part of the key to my tabs I'm gonna be linking on my YT vids.
It's not quite finished yet; still using the fine tooth comb. But, it works.
Key To The Rhythm Tab
As Mike Quill points out on the site referred to above, “What tab doesn't show is timing and rhythm...” which is why I use the system described here.
It's not really 'my' system; rather, it's just an extension of the way I was taught to count in the piano lessons I took as a kid.
If you ever took music lessons, the chances are you'll already be familiar with most of this. Even if you're not, there's no great mystery to it when shown in context.
With this simple system you can notate the beat or change of beat being used and you can show where the notes are to be played within the beat itself.
However, in order for it to work, you have to type the notes above the relevant part of the rhythm using a Teletype or 'fixed space' font, e.g. that used in Notepad. If you don't, the notes won't line up with the rhythm, and therefore, will make no rhythmic sense whatsoever.
12/8, 4/4, etc : time signature (12 X eighth notes: shuffle time; or 4 X quarter notes: straight time)
| : bar line
1 2 3 4 : counting beats
1 & 2 & : counting beats divided into two (straight time)
1 & a 2 & a : counting beats divided into three (shuffle time - or compound time as classical musicians might call it)
1 a & a : counting beats divided into four (straight time)
1 a & a & a : counting beats divided into six (shuffle time) or
1 & a & a or
1 & a & etc
In a nutshell, '&' always occupies a stronger part of the beat than the beat number or the 'a' that precedes it, with the strongest part of the beat being where it starts and the weakest part being where it ends.
I've not attempted to include irregular divisions of the beat, e.g. 5 played in the time of 4. You could always write:
4/4 1 a a a a 2 a a a a etc
to show that you want quintuplets; it's not very clear to read or verbalise, but it's there if you want to use it.
If you want to deviate otherwise from the beat, i.e. writing triplets in straight time or vice versa, just do exactly that:
4/4 1 & a 2 & 3 & a 4 & |
The presence of the beat – 1 2 3 4 – should make your meaning clear.
So, that's it. Providing that you always mark the beats then you should be able to notate rhythms on a computer keyboard in such a way that the rhythm can be interpreted without having to actually know the tune first.
Just remember that you have to write the notes above the relevant part of the beat. So, a dotted rhythm in straight time on the 2 draw would look like this:
4/4
2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 |
1 a & a 2 a & a 3 a & a 4 a & a |
Or, if the second and third parts of each beat were to be silent, i.e. the first note of each beat is staccato, then just use the backslash (for silence) on those parts of the beat:
4/4
2 \ \ 2 2 \ \ 2 2 \ \ 2 2 \ \ 2 |
1 a & a 2 a & a 3 a & a 4 a & a |
That's about as complex as it gets.
---------- 'If it sounds GOOD to you, it's bitchen; if it sounds BAD to YOU, it's shitty' - Frank Zappa
http://www.youtube.com/user/SlimHarpMick
Last Edited by on Jul 12, 2009 6:19 AM
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mr_so&so
162 posts
Jul 11, 2009
4:31 PM
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mikil,
I also like Mike Quill's tab method, for the same reasons you do. I believe you put me on to it in the first place. As a beginner at reading music, I still find it difficult to determine the proper beat though. But I will keep at it.
As for getting things to line up correctly, for web text input that allows HTML formatting, I believe you can force a mono-spaced font and retain spaces and line breaks by putting the tab inside "pre" tags, (for preformatted text).
E.g., the "Spoonful" riff (if I have it correct):
|2 3' 2 3' 2 3' 2| |a 1 a 2 a 3 4|
Last Edited by on Jul 11, 2009 5:06 PM
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GermanHarpist
467 posts
Jul 11, 2009
5:00 PM
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Tabbing rhythm is kinda problematic, cos it can't describe the subtleties. The above examples remind me of these harping books for beginners, where I just couldn't figure out the riffs... I think in our day and age it's simplest to post a vid.
The only kind of "rhythm" help I would include is | to indicate the beats or a bar...
But, what about tabbing the notes (which I think, does actually really help...)? Unfortunately there's no consensus on that either.
I personally like: +/- = blow/draw ' = bends * = overblow/-draw
e.g. -3'' = three draw bend a whole step -7* = seven overdraw +4** = four overblow bend up half a step (not that you would ever need it ;) ---------- germanharpist, harpfriends on Youtube
Last Edited by on Jul 11, 2009 5:01 PM
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mickil
359 posts
Jul 11, 2009
6:14 PM
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mr_so&so,
Thannks. I didn't know about the pre tag.
I just had a look and, although it sounds like a God-send, apparently, it's was phased out in the last incarnation of HTML (4.01).
HTML's successor, XHTML, won't recognise it, which means that future browsers won't honour the author's intention, should they use it. Shame.
GH,
I've got to disagree with you about your view on tabbing rhythm.
It's true what you say about how subtlties can't be notated. But, that was never the intention from the get go. Well, since Western musical notation was invented.
Those subleties that you refer to are what differentiates one person's performance from another; they are what give any interpretation a 'human' quality.
Nevertheless, a beat can only be divided in so many ways; the rest is down to the player.
When I was an undergraduate, we had a lecture about notation. The visiting lecturer said about how there had been some study - in Iowa University, if memory serves, which I expect it doesn't - whereby they summised that only about 9% of what was actually played in classical music was written down; the rest was 'aural tradition'.
Your views about notating rhythm would add some weight to that. But, notation - at least before the age of the Internet - was essential to carrying on that tradition. And, it's still a very useful way to share information. ---------- 'If it sounds GOOD to you, it's bitchen; if it sounds BAD to YOU, it's shitty' - Frank Zappa
http://www.youtube.com/user/SlimHarpMick
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GermanHarpist
474 posts
Jul 11, 2009
6:52 PM
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I think that the traditional music also kind of evolved around the notation system, while playing the harp evolved pretty much without rhythm notation... So easy sing along songs are ok to tab down. The real blues... it just gets very complicated... (what to include, what to exclude, etc....).
But well, in some situations, it may be useful... in all other, just post a vid about it and "break it waaay down" like Adam ;)
---------- germanharpist, harpfriends on Youtube
Last Edited by on Jul 11, 2009 6:56 PM
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mickil
361 posts
Jul 12, 2009
5:19 AM
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My mistake! It's the width element of pre that's depracated in the strict XHTML DTD:
http://www.w3schools.com/TAGS/tag_pre.asp ---------- 'If it sounds GOOD to you, it's bitchen; if it sounds BAD to YOU, it's shitty' - Frank Zappa
http://www.youtube.com/user/SlimHarpMick
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mr_so&so
164 posts
Jul 14, 2009
10:08 AM
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So the XHTML "pre" tag does solve one problem. Excellent. As for how to represent the notes as tab, I wish there was some consensus on that too. I like GH's system:
Indicate blow or draw; hole #; note inflection
And I like the use of the asterisk for overbends. For some reason, I always had in my mind that you need to separate out overblows from overdraws, but we don't do that for draw bends and blow bends, do we? So good on you, GH.
The one thing I would quibble about is the use of "-" in front of every draw note. It's clearer, yes, but also not necessary if you indicate blow notes with "+". But it's a minor point. I will adopt GH's system from here on.
It would be nice if we could all agree, at least here on MBH, to use the same tab system, but I suspect that there are only a small number of us who care about this issue.
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mickil
369 posts
Jul 14, 2009
11:22 AM
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I suppose I like # for overblows because it seems logical: in normal notation # is a sharp sign, be it only a semitone, unlike 6>#, which is 3 semitones. But, the visual representation makes it easy for someone who reads music to remember.
I like < for draw and > for blow because visually they just seem to make more sense than -/+: they look like what they do.
Some of Mike's other symbols make a lot of sense too: ~ for a dip bend. In normal music, join them together, but slant them, which I can't do here i.e. ~~~~~, and you've got a portamento, same thing.
& for a tongue block, e.g. 1&4>. Just means 1 and 4 blow. Couldn't be more straightforward.
% for a tongue slap, e.g. 3%6>. Just means 1 and 4 and a percentage of the intervening holes.
= for a warble, e.g. 4=5. In conventional music, the same sign is sometimes used, be it rotated about 30 degrees. But it still makes sense if you already read music.
I use ^ to tie notes over the beat or bar because, except for its angularity, it's the same in regular music. Big deal, one might think. But, if you do this:
2 2^ 2
1 & a 2 & a
You've got syncopatated harp tab.
I could go on, but I have to get some more wine now. ---------- 'If it sounds GOOD to you, it's bitchen; if it sounds BAD to YOU, it's shitty' - Frank Zappa
http://www.youtube.com/user/SlimHarpMick
Last Edited by on Jul 14, 2009 11:27 AM
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