isaacullah
311 posts
Aug 22, 2009
10:54 AM
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So, what are some of your favorite licks to play over bars 5 and 6? I've gotten stuck on a simple lick that goes +1, +2, -2, -3b and then repeats. I some times also do a descending lick that goes +4, -3b, -2, -2. I feel like I'm kind of stuck on these two things when I'm improvising, and was hoping to get some new licks that I can stick in my arsenal for IV chord improv...
Cheers,
Isaac
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Patrick Barker
393 posts
Aug 22, 2009
11:06 AM
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One common thing to do is play the same lick you played in the previous bars except with the third bent a bit further down.
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mickil
483 posts
Aug 22, 2009
2:06 PM
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1> 4<' 4> 3<' 2< 2<'' 1< 1<' |
1 & a 2 & a 3 & a 4 & a |
1> 4<' 4> 3<' 2< 2<'' 1< 1<' 1< | 2< etc
1 & a 2 & a 3 & a 4 & a |
I like the minor 9th formed by the first two notes.
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scstrickland
180 posts
Aug 22, 2009
2:35 PM
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great thread, I often revert to the same riff over and over again. mine is
+4 +4 -3b -2 / +4 +4 -2 -3b
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Patrick Barker
397 posts
Aug 22, 2009
2:54 PM
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Also, if you're doing a slow blues, You have enough time to make the mental switch to 1st position, which is based off the IV chord. That works well too.
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mickil
484 posts
Aug 22, 2009
3:30 PM
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isaacullah,
Off topic, I know. But, I remember your fondness for wooden combs. You know that the Seydel Soloist (not Pro) now comes with a fully sealed comb? Not bad for the bucks. I've not tried them yet - one is in the post - but I do like those old-fashioned harps with painful right angles all over the place: not a harp for a wuss, if you know what I mean. Kinda like: if those old blues men could play 'em, so can I, or lose my lips trying! Forgive my digression.
To go back to your post though, one thing I find dead useful, which is in the lick I posted above, is a technique that's often used in composition to give the illusion of melodic movement, whereas, in actual fact, there's not much movement at all, i.e.: octave jumps.
Those first three notes, 1> 4<' 4>, are just 1> 1<' 1>, but with the melodic predictability removed, at least to an extent.
Not only does it make the line more interesting, it also facilitates moves around the harp more and gives you more options of where to go next.
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'If it sounds GOOD to you, it's bitchen; if it sounds BAD to YOU, it's shitty' - Frank Zappa
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isaacullah
312 posts
Aug 22, 2009
6:02 PM
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Mickl (is your real name just Mick?), Sean,and Patrick,
Thanks for the great suggestions! Patrick, I definately need to figure out some good first position licks. You're right that the IV chord is where they can be inserted. Mickl: Thanks for that tab! I'm gonna plug it into this 12 bar I've been fooling around with the last couple of days and see how it sounds. The advice about the octaves is very good too. I think that must be what adam was getting at in the "riffing the changes" YT lesson...
Anyone else got some choice IV chord licks?
~Isaac
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Preston
478 posts
Aug 24, 2009
5:24 AM
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I like this one: +4 4(ob)-5 5(ob) -5 4(ob) +4 +4. It's actually a riff I learned from one of Adam's Butterfield lessons, and I just transcribed it to first position.
I like taking a second position riff that usally ends on the 2 draw and just jumping up to the 4 blow in IV chord. Like -4 -4' -3' +4.
Last Edited by on Aug 24, 2009 5:59 AM
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Pluto
10 posts
Aug 24, 2009
8:42 AM
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I love checking out everyone scales, chords and riffs. Would it be possible to settle on one type of tab? I can never keep everyones notation straight
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sorin
39 posts
Aug 24, 2009
9:42 AM
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I'm with Preston notation.
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mickil
485 posts
Aug 24, 2009
10:44 AM
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I like to use the system - more or less - that's linked to from the FAQs page on this site, the one that Mike Quill uses. To my mind < and > seem to look like what you're actually doing. Each to their own.
In all typed systems the choice is binary: < and >, - and + or D and B. Whichever one is used, it's not hard infer the author's intention.
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'If it sounds GOOD to you, it's bitchen; if it sounds BAD to YOU, it's shitty' - Frank Zappa
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Jim Rumbaugh
78 posts
Aug 26, 2009
5:58 PM
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Yes, I NEED more IV chord riffs. Give me MORE riffs
here's something off the top of my head
(legend:3=3blow, -3=3draw, -3"= -3draw full step bend)
1 1 4 3 -3" -2 -2" -2
variations.
Play it straight eight's,
Play it with a shuffle.
Play it slurring the 4 3, -3" -2, -2" -2 pairs.
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Preston
479 posts
Aug 27, 2009
8:47 AM
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Someone help me out here. Patrick and Jim both mention the 3draw full step bend in the IV chord.
If my math is right, that is the Major 2nd of the I chord and the Major 6th of the IV chord. Neither of these notes are in the blues scale, so I'm not saying it doesn't work, I just don't see that as one of the first notes someone would pick if they were playing blues.
If I had to answer my own question, I would say that it actually takes some of the bluesiness out of your music, but if done at the same time of a chord change, it accents the chord change to the listeners ear. This what you guys are thinking?
The 3draw full step bend is actually the 5th of the V chord, which is definetely in the blues scale. I tend to use it in this chord the most.
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isaacullah
316 posts
Aug 27, 2009
10:36 AM
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You know, I looked at my charts and Preston is right. Both the 3 draw bent two half steps and bent all the way down (3 half steps) are part of the 3rd position blues scale (V chord). However, I remember from Adam's tradebit lesson on "got my mojo working" (the more advance one, not the beginners' one), there is a IV chord lick that descends -14, +14, -3bb, -2b, -1. He mentions something about why this is an important thing to understand (-3bb to -2b in the IV chord), but I can't remember what it was he said off the top of my head. I'll have to go through that lesson again...
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XHarp
140 posts
Aug 27, 2009
1:23 PM
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So here's one....
-5, +4, -4, -3", +4
To get into the 4 chord then march down.... and I mean march hard crisp notes on even beats. +4, +3, +2, +1/+4 octave then pause for 3 beats... Yup, spaces are cool too, then any cool little lick to resolve to the 3 blow or 2 draw on the 1st beat of the 7th bar and groove on from there.
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Jfllr1
2 posts
Aug 27, 2009
1:24 PM
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try -2 -3b -2 -2bb -1 +1 (lick from juke)
I explain it at the end of this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQPEX_tkwhI
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Jim Rumbaugh
79 posts
Aug 27, 2009
7:40 PM
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Preston
I agree with your math.
I bet I am doing
1 1 4 3 -3' -2 -2" -2
At least that sounds better when I pick out on the guitar. (it's an old bass lick)
(am I allowed to go back and edit my first post???? or is that cheating???)
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