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Tiger Woods's wife has the blues
Tiger Woods's wife has the blues
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kudzurunner
846 posts
Dec 07, 2009
11:33 AM
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OK, everybody, I will admit to being fascinated by the Tiger Woods affair(s). It's Icarus dropping out of the sky, reimagined for our time.
Obviously I'd prefer that we keep things at the MBH forum reasonably on-topic, but it seems to me that the biggest tabloid story of the year naturally lends itself not just to prurient/horrified fascination but to a profound meditation on all the things blues singers sing about: rage, jealousy, lust, fear (of discovery), need to flee (the Escalade crash), tragically diminished earning potential (that will become clear fairly soon, I predict, although Tiger will never become poor).
How does his wife Elin possibly deal with what is happening? We're not talking about one fling. We're talking about what will probably end up being a dozen or more women over the past few years, at least one of whom Woods repeatedly invited to his home and made love to when the wife was gone. Here's the link to THAT one (and thank you, British tabloids, for really showing us how this sort of thing is done):
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/631528/Tiger-had-me-in-the-rough-Mindy-Lawtons-frantic-sex-with-Tiger-Woods.html
One core of the blues experience, as I understand it, is the sense that things have always gone badly and that they'll always go badly--which is to say, that there is no hope.
But another core blues experience, one I suspect some of us have endured, is the sense of relational life suddenly pitching into a free fall or death spiral: the fracturing and ending of a significant partnership in a way that makes the whole world feel suddenly jittery, not quite real, frighteningly lonely and new. I lived through that. Living through such a moment is challenging enough, but when you pile Tiger's world-historical fame on top of it, the pressure, the desolation, must be huge.
An enormous day of reckoning, in other words, has suddenly descended on Tiger and there is absolutely no way of avoiding it. He'll try. He'll spend money, summon advisers on celebrity damage control, and try to mitigate what has happened.
His wife, too, will summon friends and family, along with lawyers, and try to transform the heartbreak into something survivable.
Think about those poor kids!
Anyway, I think we need one thread in which to pile all the discussion. Please feel free.
Last Edited by on Dec 07, 2009 11:33 AM
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tookatooka
833 posts
Dec 07, 2009
11:56 AM
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Yeah, the British tabloid press love this sort of thing. Once they get their teeth into a story, they're never satisfied until they bring their quarry right down. They love nothing more than knocking someone off their pedestal. It's just a pity they can't find the really greedy, nasty arrogant bastards who deserve it more.
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Last Edited by on Dec 07, 2009 11:57 AM
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GermanHarpist
783 posts
Dec 07, 2009
12:56 PM
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Leave Britney ALONE!
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XHarp
223 posts
Dec 07, 2009
1:20 PM
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"Living through such a moment is challenging enough, but when you pile Tiger's world-historical fame on top of it, the pressure, the desolation, must be huge."
I'm not so sure that he feels desolate, the pressure, Oh yeah, his image is tarnished, and he may lose some of his endorsements, but as you said...."Tiger will never become poor".
The fame of the indescretions will fade over time, when the next great news scandal comes along. About all Tiger can hope for is that it comes along fast and he can start to regroup on his golf and get this behind him.
But then again his fans will let him get this behind him and there are even some who are right now giving him the full show of support and a few ... "atta' boys"
as people did when Bill Clinton's indescretion was made public, hey for that matter even the OJ thing had divided camps of support.
We now pay huge bucks to hear Clinton speak. Perhaps we'll allow Tiger and others in this situation to continue to make huge profits from these things too.
The ones who will get hurt.... Definitely the kids.
The wife... She's and adult, she's a good looking girl, she'll come out on top.
In my way I want him to pay as heavily for his indescetions as equally as he was rewarded for his role model status. He should be stripped of his wealth and riches and titles and it should all go to the children in trust.
He should have to start over again from nothing.
We've been duped. Again by a celebrity role model.
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tookatooka
834 posts
Dec 07, 2009
1:34 PM
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Just read, " Woods linked to porn star.
Woods facing ridicule as Holly Sampson named as mistress".
I really can't understand how he thought he would be immune from any of these women breaking their silence and spilling the beans. I think there's an element of measured recklessness in what he was doing. I'm almost certain he must have known the game would be up at some time.
Still, whoa eh! whoa, lucky blighter. I reckon any one of those damsons would be worth a couple of cracks round the noggin with a seven iron from my missus.
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Elwood
230 posts
Dec 07, 2009
3:27 PM
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"He should have to start over again from nothing.
We've been duped. Again by a celebrity role model."
Them's fightin' words, XHarp -- but I don't think you're alone in your sentiments. It's disappointing to catch a glimpse of someone's feet of clay.
What gives me pause, though, is the realisation that when celebrities fail, the failure rarely stems from a fatal weakness that they've hidden from us all along. (e.g. Clinton being a womaniser, Whitney Houston being a crack fiend, etc) Fame and public scrutiny (and public admiration) must put a huge amount of pressure on people who are, at the end of the day, as fallible as anyone else.
Take for example Amy Winehouse - a supremely talented singer whose personal life is an utter train wreck. Clearly, the woman's got personal failings (her addictions, her destructive and anti-social behaviour) but I wonder what the added effect of fame is to that equation? Tabloid photographers are hounding her every minute of every day - in fact, one journalist reported that they've been known to bang on her trash cans at 4AM, so that when she blearily pokes her head out the window to ask them what the fuck they're doing, they can get their prize photo of Winehouse looking suitably disheveled and aggressive-looking.
Hey, like you say - the accusations against Woods are appalling. I have no respect for a man who would do those things. But I can't help but have a shred of pity for him, too.
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nacoran
509 posts
Dec 07, 2009
3:35 PM
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He should have stuck to 10 holes instead of 18. No one gets famous playing harmonica.
They found his little black book. Next to each girls name was a Par rating for each hole.
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Elwood
231 posts
Dec 07, 2009
3:38 PM
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Oh Nacaron. You make me laugh.
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eharp
368 posts
Dec 07, 2009
5:45 PM
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http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq176/eharphyde/Tiger.jpg
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scstrickland
337 posts
Dec 07, 2009
5:54 PM
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Thats his wife! Damn! is he stupid?
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mickil
695 posts
Dec 07, 2009
6:28 PM
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tooka,
"It's just a pity they can't find the really greedy, nasty arrogant bastards who deserve it more."
A few years ago Tiger Woods accepted more money in sponsorship for a year than the entire Indonesian workforce at Nike would earn in the same year for making the stuff. I don't know how to define greed more clearly than that. May smelly trainers rain upon his house.
Bibliography: I think I got that from an article in The Guardian promoting a book called 'No Logo' By Naomi Kline (spelling?)
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apskarp
77 posts
Dec 07, 2009
9:36 PM
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:) Now I understand why one of my facebook friends from the US wrote the other day "I have heard enough of Tiger Woods for a lifetime".
These kinds of scandal news are valid only in the culture they are happening. No news about this in finnish newspapers.. I bet you don't know who Matti Nykänen is? :D
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tookatooka
836 posts
Dec 08, 2009
2:09 AM
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@Mickil@ OK I'll concede that point I didn't know about that, but the money was offered to him, he wasn't arrogant and nasty and just blagged it. Whatsmore, If he hadn't have taken it, would Nike have given it to their workforce?
I'm thinking more along the lines of our very own (or should I say, Scotlands very own) Fred the Shred and members of our banking and governmental fraternity.
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The Gloth
192 posts
Dec 08, 2009
2:38 AM
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My opinions is that private life of celebrities should remain private. What the heck if Tiger Woods has cheated on his wife ? That doesn't make him a less good golfer, and I don't understand why people can feel "betrayed" by the deeds of a pro golfer they only know from the media, nor how people can put a judgement on him. As far as I know, he didn't broke the law, did he ?
Ok, he's gonna get divorced and will probably pay a huge amount of money to his wife. The kids may suffer from the separation, but it's the same for millions of unknown kids all over the world. The publicity made of it may be more painful to them than the divorce itself, but at least, those kids will never be poor and hungry. They are hugely privilegied, compared to 99,999999 % of children on this planet, so I won't shed a tear.
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bdr
41 posts
Dec 08, 2009
2:47 AM
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Mrs Woods doesn't have the blues, she has the greens! if worst comes to worst she'll cut free with the pre nuptual settlement of something like 20million, but then again when it gets down to it she'll probably walk away with half of everything either way she's set for life, sad to hear her troubles and all but its hard to feel sorry for her , it's not like she was getting knocked around or anything just another broken marriage, ah well... after this comes the Hello magazine interview and the book deal etc etc more money added to the pile.
can't feel sorry for him either, he put his hand out to be slapped. had his fun and now has to pay the price just another broken marriage, ah well ... after this comes the Playboy interview and the book deal = more money on pile
funny how so many women are coming out in the tabloids as having a fling with Wood. I wouldn't believe half of it, british press are not known for letting truth get in the way of a good story
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Last Edited by on Dec 08, 2009 2:50 AM
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GermanHarpist
786 posts
Dec 08, 2009
3:29 AM
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mickil,
" "It's just a pity they can't find the really greedy, nasty arrogant bastards who deserve it more."
A few years ago Tiger Woods accepted more money in sponsorship for a year than the entire Indonesian workforce at Nike would earn in the same year for making the stuff. I don't know how to define greed more clearly than that. May smelly trainers rain upon his house. "
But that's not what they're talking about... so, back to tookas quote.
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phogi
138 posts
Dec 08, 2009
3:41 AM
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Here's a good question: Why do so many want him to be 'stripped of everything...'
My thought is that it is because being faithful to one's spouse is not really a part of human nature, and to remain faithful is difficult for everybody. So, my theory: People want to see him destroyed because they see him as indulging in something that they have to work so hard to avoid. Or worse, that he gets away with what they cannot due to his fame and wealth.
I'm not really feeling too sorry or anybody here, I've seen couples bounce back from WAAY worse sh-t than this. Of course, those couples did not have 24/7 media coverage.
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thorvaldsen76
43 posts
Dec 08, 2009
4:19 AM
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mickil: I totally agree with you!
Sometimes the media doesn't show the entire story. I cheated on my ex-girlfriend with the girl I live with now. Everybody was angry at me but it's the smartest thing I have ever done,to be honest:) I like to think that my ex was Satans half-sister.. And that's not Mr.Satan...lol... To put it in harp-terms: I left Bob Dylan and hooked up with Big Walter:)
But then again,my ex wasn't this gorgeus swedish,blond model... She was a 210 pound,crazy woman with a big,hairy mole on her back.. So when this hot,blond girl wanted me I just couldn't say no,that would be stupid,right? And here I am 6 years later,with kids,rottweiler and a ok house:) The grass was greener on the other side for me:)
Kent Erik
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mickil
696 posts
Dec 08, 2009
4:23 AM
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tooka,
"I'm thinking more along the lines of our very own (or should I say, Scotlands very own) Fred the Shred and members of our banking and governmental fraternity."
WOA! Don't get me started on those parasites.
GH,
"But that's not what they're talking about... so, back to tookas quote."
Sorry, I don't quite understand. I'm just opining in what is, after all, a very informal thread.
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JimInMO
29 posts
Dec 08, 2009
5:42 AM
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Oh Oh, someone, female, was transported from the Woods's household by paramedics and is on life support this morning.
.....Or maybe not, boy the network news media is getting just as bad as the tabloids.
Last Edited by on Dec 08, 2009 5:51 AM
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Buzadero
211 posts
Dec 08, 2009
6:03 AM
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Why shouldn't Woods make that kind of money? Who should decide what he should earn? Role model? Are you kidding?
He chases a little white ball around trying to get it in a hole with a stick. That has somehow become an activity elevated to huge business. Just like throwing a ball faster than the other guyc can hit it with a stick, or throwing a ball into a net 10 ft off the ground. If people ae willing to pay for it, why shouldn't he make the money? True, it's seemingly injust that he makes more than the entire Nike workforce. But, why not? Somebody is willing to pay him more than they are willing to pay them. Who's to decide the rules?
If you become dissapointed in your role model, stop watching him play golf, stop buying Nikes, stop driving a Buick and stop using your Amex card.
But, for god sake, stop whining.
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toddlgreene
218 posts
Dec 08, 2009
6:12 AM
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Adam is my role model. ;-D
He's someone who truly deserves the riches, probably doesn't even know which end of the golf club to hold(not unlike myself), and has more sense than hook up with a floozie that's not worth half his stuff.
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mickil
699 posts
Dec 08, 2009
8:07 AM
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I think you're confusing 'whining' with 'opining'; they do sound similar, after all.
Don't you think that 'whining' is a little unneccesarily inflammatory? Please show me the respect you'd like to be shown yourself, or don't respond to my posts. Is that OK with you?
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Last Edited by on Dec 08, 2009 8:39 AM
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XHarp
224 posts
Dec 08, 2009
11:10 AM
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Opinion,
If we pay for their celebrity status and ultimately pave the way for their endorsement deals, and we do exactly that, we have a right to recieve a certain value for the goods we pay for.
I for one believe that someone who can earn 90% of his annual multi-millon dollar (or maybe even billion dollar) salary from product endorsements needs to have a higher morale standard. And we, as consumers of sports celebrity status, need to start expecting that they do have. After all, its our kids and grandkids being influenced by their actions.
If they cannot manage their marital affairs or other vices accordingly they deserve to fall hard and long.
As for Amy Winehouse.... Never did figure out what the hooplah was all about. Her voice is OK and her musicology is OK but much like Whitney, don't agree with her choices or attitude so I don't buy her music.
Can't say that I've ever seen Amy with an endorsement deal either.
At least some portion of the changes needed come from us.
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Last Edited by on Dec 08, 2009 11:12 AM
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scstrickland
340 posts
Dec 08, 2009
12:08 PM
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@ XHarp
"If we pay for their celebrity status and ultimately pave the way for their endorsement deals, and we do exactly that, we have a right to recieve a certain value for the goods we pay for."
The world is getting great entertainment value for its buck. People love watching this stuff, It even made its way onto a harmonica forum.
"After all, its our kids and grandkids being influenced by their actions."
So, since when are people that live outside the sphere of influence of our children roll models? The only people Tiger is a roll model to as a golfer. He has no obligation to make personal choices based on how it will affect your kids.
Last Edited by on Dec 08, 2009 12:08 PM
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phogi
140 posts
Dec 08, 2009
1:11 PM
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How about this: If our society valued the concept of role models above its desire to watch the big guy go down, then such actions would be hidden by the press, not trumpeted at the top of everyone's lungs.
Questions that I hope make you think before lambasting:
1) Do you think this is the first his wife knew? I doubt it.
2) Think about Tiger's friend who said "I wish I would have known what a scumbag he is" or some variant. What do you suppose his motivations are?
3) If you think anybody cheats and does not pay a price, you are probably wrong.
4) 50% of marriages (60, now I hear) end in divorce. Do you honestly think that the remaining 50% last because nobody cheated?
5) Ask yourself, would, or could you be faithful in all situations?
6) Have you ever looked at the stats (which I question, but worth looking anyway). People F-ck around.
I've been faithful to my wife all the years I've known her (10 years). Its been pretty easy, save one time: when my wife was undergoing cancer treatment. You can say to yourself 'what a scumbag,' but its not as if you have those feelings intentionally. Same thing as suicidal tendancies. Everybody says 'coward,' when you know in your mind you've been there too. Same for fag-haters. They decry so loud to help them fight their own inner demons.
People cry out so loud to keep their own house in order.
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Pluto
24 posts
Dec 08, 2009
1:39 PM
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Shame on you Adam!
There are "chat rooms" for this tripe.
"fag haters"?
dear me
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XHarp
225 posts
Dec 08, 2009
1:52 PM
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Celebrities are well within the sphere of influence of our children. They are in the news, on TV and likely influence a good deal of our discussions at home.
We will talk about them, good or bad, and we will watch them on TV and read about them in the news. The only way they cannot have influence on our kids is if our children live in a bubble.
Witnessed by my own hand this very a.m. in my neighbours driveway. The discussion among 10 year old sports fans was the very topic of Tiger and his indescretions. Of course 10 year old boys think that his indescretions are conquests and they're opinion of his actions was fully supportive in a chlidish and preverse way. Regardless they were fully aware of his actions and influenced by it.
Now, parental guidance lacking? Nope, I know the parents quite well. Hard working stern disciplinarians. Good folks who provide well for their children and attempt to guide them within the scope of all their capability.
How then did these particular kids get a hold of this? It was due to press. Why was it in the press? Because Tiger got caught doing things he shouldn't have been doing and because of his celebrity status he is now forefront in the press.
This is a fact of his chosen path in life. He has responsibility to act in a way befitting of his status.
And no he shouldn't make his personal choices based on our children he should make better choices because he is a celebrity and has full focus in all modes of press. He should always be aware that his indescretions can influence others in negative ways.
At the very least, he should know that what he does is well documented or recorded somewhere.
I guess he thought he thought the rules of society don't apply to him. I expected that he was better then that but I guess I was duped again.
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GermanHarpist
788 posts
Dec 08, 2009
2:16 PM
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mickil, what I wanted to say: It could be argued that Tiger is one of the greedy bunch making money (indirectly) with the misery of other people. However, that's not what the newspapers are talking about.
While there would be sooo many interesting aspects that could be covered, their subjects of choice is the amount of mistresses, if it was an iron or wood that smashed the window,...
Who cares??? There's sooo much shit going on in the world. People die - there's hunger, wars, disease, poverty,... but nooo, we talk about who fucked who, who cheated, who's gay,... it's the ol' gossip, but global and of it's worst kind.
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wallyns10
102 posts
Dec 08, 2009
2:25 PM
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I could give a shit about tiger woods and his troubles. We all have skeletons and for the most part they should remain in the closet. I don't like hearing about people's dirty laundry. Maybe I just don't view "celebrities" the same way a lot of people do. I might be more concerned if it were a musician who I draw influence from, but at the same time what I said before is the rule for me, not the exception. I guess I'm more or less apathetic towards these things. The tiger woods scandal for me brings to mind one of my favorite vonnegut quotes: "so it goes."
Phogi- I understand and for the most part agree with what you said. I also full well accept, respect, and support your right to say what ever the hell you want. At the same time I would like to respectfully suggest you watch how the fuck you word things.
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GermanHarpist
789 posts
Dec 08, 2009
2:36 PM
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Scs, I totally agree... role models... hilarious!
And btw. that Miley Cyrus is at Disney doen't mean she hasn't done crack. I'm sure she has for exactly that reason.
If you and your kids don't know that much of the media world but especially advertisement and stardom is nothing but a big cloud of bs, well THAT's where something is wrong. Who cares about what Tiger did, this is the real story.
But no, "did his mistress number two have plastic surgery...?"
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scstrickland
342 posts
Dec 08, 2009
2:38 PM
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@Xharp
"I guess he thought he thought the rules of society don't apply to him. I expected that he was better then that but I guess I was duped again."
I suspect a lot of people in a power position lose focus on rules. We could make a list a mile long of people, politicians, tel-evangelists , celebrities, CEO's in a privileged position who behaved as if rules don't apply to them.
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GermanHarpist
790 posts
Dec 08, 2009
2:42 PM
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wallyns10, maybe you should reread your post before putting "respectfully suggest" and "fuck you" in the same sentence. Especially because I really don't see what you're on about.
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Honkin On Bobo
90 posts
Dec 08, 2009
3:02 PM
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The whole "celebrity as role model for the kids" idea is way overblown (no pun intended)to me. If your kid takes his/her values and/or moral cues from a famous athlete, musician or entertainer just because they're good at what they do...you've failed as a parent.
I feel bad for the wife and kids...but "strip him of everything he's earned" over this???? What, no flogging in the public square?
How about a big A forcibly tatooed on his forehead.
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wallyns10
103 posts
Dec 08, 2009
3:11 PM
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GermanHarpist: No see I didn't say "fuck you" I said "how the fuck you word things." Fuck in this case is used as an adverb (if my grammer is correct?) modifying the word "how", which in turn modifies the verb "to word". Think about it as two different phrases: "how the fuck" and "you word things." It shows my intensity or vehemence, not disrespect. I only had four years of german, so I my knowledge is limited, especially since its been a year or so since I've taken a german class. That said I can't think of an equivalent translation. What I was on about was his use of the term "fag-hater" which is ironic in and of itself. If you are not aware fag is a derogatory word used for gay people. This shows that he himself might not necessarily hate gay people but the use of the word fag, shows if nothing else, laziness and/or ignorance. I attempted to show my contempt for his use of language while at the same time alluding to his ironicism by adding the phrase "respectfully suggest." My own slight attempt at being ironic.
Last Edited by on Dec 08, 2009 3:12 PM
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kudzurunner
851 posts
Dec 08, 2009
3:14 PM
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@Pluto: I feel no shame for the decision I made, and I assume you're being at least semi-facetious. But I'll admit to sharing your dismay: the conversation has indeed descended. I didn't expect everybody to follow up on my Icarus trope, but I did hope there wouldn't be quite so much venom. I'm not sure why it's necessary. What's not necessary at all, obviously, is when venom spills over into board relationships, necessitating questions like "Why are you disrespecting me?" At that point, a civil forum has begun to take on the qualities of a mob, where general rage at an intended target (in this case, Tiger) has devolved. That's nothing I intended to provoke by starting this thread, and it's a damned shame. Everybody here deserves better. I'm locking this thread.
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