Bb
125 posts
Jan 09, 2010
8:27 AM
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I love this album. Cotton's harp tone is so damn nasty. Any guesses as to – besides being Cotton – what he used to get that sound?
-Bob
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Tuckster
339 posts
Jan 09, 2010
8:56 AM
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You sort of answered your own question. He's Cotton. Super tight cup,lots of TBing.
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MrVerylongusername
799 posts
Jan 09, 2010
9:32 AM
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Last Edited by on Jan 09, 2010 11:00 AM
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GermanHarpist
905 posts
Jan 09, 2010
9:39 AM
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MrV, you made my day :)
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germanharpist on YT. =;-) - Resonance is KEY!
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LilWillieB
6 posts
Jan 09, 2010
9:42 AM
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What an awesome CD, this is the one that first turned me on to the blues. Everyone should own a copy.
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Tuckster
340 posts
Jan 09, 2010
10:17 AM
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Seen Cotton 3-4 times. He always played through the P.A. with a vocal mic. Cotton don't need no stinking amplifier!
Mr.V- I want that pedal. I'd pay twice that to get Cotton's sound.
Last Edited by on Jan 09, 2010 10:18 AM
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Bb
126 posts
Jan 09, 2010
10:18 AM
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Shit ... I'm gonna get me one of them pedals, now. :^)
-Bob
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Bb
127 posts
Jan 09, 2010
10:43 AM
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I gotta say that I'm pretty damn sure the Cotton is amped up on Hard Again. His sound is dirtier on this than some of the other stuff I've got. Much grittier than on, for example 100% Cotton. Small amp, perhaps? Whaddaya think?
-Bob
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toddlgreene
404 posts
Jan 09, 2010
10:56 AM
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Yeah, he's gotta be amped up. Love that album, too! I'm a fan of Johnny Winter so, i get three for one-Muddy, JC and Johnny.
Mr. V-sign me up for 5.1 of those, so I can playlike Cotton in surround sound!
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~Todd L. Greene
crescentcityharmonicaclub@gmail.com
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Bb
128 posts
Jan 09, 2010
11:03 AM
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Yup, Johnny Winter did everyone right when he produced that album. It's perfect.
-Bob
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barbequebob
311 posts
Jan 09, 2010
12:01 PM
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He played entirely thru the board on that session, as did Big Walter Horton did on the follow up record, I'm Ready. Forget the damned pedals and get the playing technique right because that's the ONLY way you're gonna duplicate it and one of the things to learn is to slow the speed of your vibrato down a lot.
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Sincerely,
Barbeque Bob Maglinte
Boston, MA
http://www.barbequebob.com
CD available at http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/bbmaglinte
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Bb
129 posts
Jan 09, 2010
12:16 PM
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@ BBQ: Wow. Through the board. Um, the pedal thing kind of a joke too, I gather you know...
I guess the ultimate answer is – it's James Cotton, THAT'S how.
-Bob
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walterharp
169 posts
Jan 09, 2010
3:38 PM
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bbq can joke on the internet, but he is usually pretty down to business...just don't tell him you think harp players should blow harder!
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superchucker77
214 posts
Jan 09, 2010
6:47 PM
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I will buy it when you make the "Jason Ricci" version.
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Brandon Bailey
Superchucker77's Youtube
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nacoran
759 posts
Jan 09, 2010
7:14 PM
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Superchucker- Processor power is through the roof, what about a multi-mode one? All the greats in one pedal!
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Zhin
378 posts
Jan 09, 2010
9:53 PM
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I $@$#%in LOVE JOHNNY WINTARRRRR
Hard Again is awesome. Second Winter frikkin rules too!
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http://www.youtube.com/harmonicazhin
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oldwailer
1013 posts
Jan 09, 2010
10:00 PM
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I was working a short time as a video crew roadie in Los Angeles--many years ago. We covered a Johnny Winter concert in a park downtown. I liked him a lot--but my station for his entire concert was right in front of a speaker cabinet about the size of my house.
I didn't hear much of anything but "Tobacco Road" for about six months after that! Sometimes I still get echoes. . .
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Blackbird
127 posts
Jan 09, 2010
11:52 PM
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Could be worse, Oldwailer - that fateful day you might've instead been at a Rick Astley concert and heard nothing but "Never gonna let you go" for six months... RickRoll after RickRoll...
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Philosofy
319 posts
Jan 10, 2010
10:41 AM
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I have a confession: the first time I heard Mannish Boy from Hard Again, I thought "Who's this guy ripping off George Thorogood?" Ahh, the ignorance of youth!
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kudzurunner
932 posts
Jan 10, 2010
11:32 AM
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@BBQ: I didn't have any direct knowledge of the album production, but what you've stated--that Cotton was playing directly into the board--was exactly what I guessed. It's a very compressed and overdriven sound.
So there you go, folks: pure solid-state distortion. No amp, no speaker cone, nothing fancy. Just solid-state signal processing behind a kick-ass acoustic sound. So much for all-tube traditionalism
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MrVerylongusername
800 posts
Jan 10, 2010
12:47 PM
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Well with Cotton, anything is possible, but I would caution against assuming that anyone going straight into the board is playing with no treatment at all - even live. Hard again is a well produced album (didn't Winter do the production himself?) Compression, e.q. can and almost certainly were added in the mixing and mastering stages; the sound would have been 'warmed' using tube driven processors (this was pre-digital after all).
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Bb
131 posts
Jan 10, 2010
1:04 PM
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Man! Where can I get one of those boards? ;^)
So, was everybody just sitting in the room with headphones on? I ask because I am curious about the production of this album. It's just perfect to my ear.
Is the "I'm Ready" album anywhere near as good as this one? If so, I gotta get it.
-Bob
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barbequebob
315 posts
Jan 10, 2010
1:10 PM
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LW`s "Rocker" was also played thru the board as well, tho back then, all of those were 100% tube driven back then. Like it or not, the cold, hard, brutal truth is that if you don`t have it together acoustically FIRST, there is NO chance that gear will EVER improve anything. BTW, that session Big Walter did for Blind Pig, which produced 2 albums under his name and one by John Nicholas, also played thru the board as well.
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Sincerely,
Barbeque Bob Maglinte
Boston, MA
http://www.barbequebob.com
CD available at http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/bbmaglinte
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Bb
132 posts
Jan 10, 2010
1:17 PM
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Shit. I'm just gonna get it.
-Bob
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MrVerylongusername
802 posts
Jan 10, 2010
1:20 PM
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Yes Cotton's tone acoustically is killer and no amount of gear is going to give you that - that was kind of the point of the pedal joke.
Just that it is wrong to assume that through the board = 100% solid state and it is wrong to assume that what is played in the studio is reproduced 100% perfectly with no tonal and compression tweaking in production.
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Elwood
295 posts
Jan 10, 2010
1:40 PM
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Bb, you won't be disappointed by I'M READY. Big Walter and Jerry Portnoy do a couple of really good tracks together, sparring between 1st and 2nd position, acoustic and electric, 2nd and 3rd, diatonic and chromatic. Fun for the whole family.
The third album in that series, KING BEE, is the runt of the litter. Not as much fun (famously the band was in money disputes).
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