Any of you that went to SPAH knows what is this pedal, I cant really understand what they are saying. ---------- Sorry for any misspell, english is not my first language.
The Boogieman is our new rig in a box pedal. The pedal includes our extremely popular Harp Break circuit (the one in that video has the Harp Attack, but we have since changed it), the Harp Delay circuit, and the Harp Tone+ circuit. The pedal features a hi-impedance input along with a hi and low impedance output.
This pedal allows the player to have great amp-like overdrive, delay (considered essential to a lot of players) and EQ controls at their feet regardless of the setting. The low impedance output allows a player to go straight in to the PA with no signal loss, regardless of the distance of the cable run.
I'd be glad to answer any questions.
Thanks, ---------- --Nathan Heck Lead Technician, Lone Wolf Blues Co. customerservice@lonewolfblues.com
Thanks for the swift response Nathan. Is this for sale already and do you have a price you can tell us? I could use one of these for duos, trios and jams :-)
Thx R
Last Edited by Little roger on Sep 23, 2015 7:20 AM
They should be available in the not so distant future. The final prototype is being test driven right now. As for price, we do not have a solid price set yet. ---------- --Nathan Heck Lead Technician, Lone Wolf Blues Co. customerservice@lonewolfblues.com
There is no low Z input for three reasons. First, it would add even more cost to a pedal that will already be our most expensive. The transformer is an expensive component. We do not want to make an unaffordable pedal. Second, the vast majority of players use high impedance microphones. So, adding cost for a component the vast majority of players wouldn't use does not make sense. Third, the addition of the transformer on the circuit board, like we have on the Frontman, would require the whole pedal to scale up. The enclosure would end up being almost twice the size of the Frontman. This would further increase the cost because of painting, screening, drilling, etc.
We thought really long and hard about the input, but the benefits of adding low Z input didn't seem worth it. ---------- --Nathan Heck Lead Technician, Lone Wolf Blues Co. customerservice@lonewolfblues.com
I guess I didn't phrase my question very well. Yes, it has both Lo and Hi Z outputs -- can they be used simultaneously to send a signal to the board and a signal to an amp?
About two years ago, when the Tech 21 Fly Rig came out, I had emailed LW about doing something similar with harmonica - great to see it being developed!
I think the Break is a great choice as it is easier to use and more forgiving with mics. It also gives you the flexibility of a two channel amp if I understand the design correctly. With the Attack, some mics don't work as well and you here a "pop" if you stomp it on and off.
While I would benefit from the Low Z input, it isn't at all necessary.
I haven't tried the pedal, but my only concern would be compression of the highs. The Break cuts really well, but the HarpTone and both delays, IME, eat some of the highs.
For example, if you really ran HT, Break, Delay V2, you wouldn't have as much cut as you would playing just the Break.
You can dial in some of that back with the HT, but they you lose it again with the delay. I don't think you can work around that as at some point the highs are cut before hitting your final output jack, if that makes sense.
This will make a great grab and go box. Batteries would be great BUT I am sure it would suck a lot of juice. With 18VDC, you have limited powering options, which is maybe only an issue if you try adding it to a pedal board, but it is way better than 12V, lol ---------- Mike My Website My Harmonica Effects Blog
I can understand no batteries, but why does it need 18v when the individual pedals run off 9v? Was it to power the original Harp Attack? 9v would be more useful for running spares.
I'm also interested in TetonJohn's question about simultaneous outputs to mixer and amp.
What is the order of the circuits?
Thanks
Last Edited by MindTheGap on Sep 24, 2015 11:15 PM
@ TetonJohn...Both outputs work simultaneously, so your amp can still be a monitor.
@ HarpNinja...The Harp Delay trims some highs in the delayed signal, but the orignal signal passes unchanged. Also, the Harp Tone+ does not lose highs if all controls are turned to noon. With those, is it possible you are hearing the increased bass response from a 1M termination and only getting the illusion of loss of highs?
@MindTheGap...The combination of all three circuits plus the extra chip for the XLR out draw too much voltage to run a normal 9V adapter. It would cause delay squeals. The order of the circuits is...
Switch 1: Harp Tone+ -> Harp Break -> Switch 2: Harp Delay
I think I answered all the questions. Let me know if I missed any. ---------- --Nathan Heck Lead Technician, Lone Wolf Blues Co. customerservice@lonewolfblues.com
IME with multiple V2 delays, I noticed a compression of the highs. I also noticed that with the HT, but you are right, it could just be the overall eq shifted.
@ HarpNinja...The 1M termination makes a much larger difference than one would think. That's why we built the Terminator pedal because we had multiple customers ask us where all their bass went when they bypassed our pedals.
@ Little roger... It is 5 5/8" long, 3 5/8" wide, and 1 7/8" tall. It weighs approximately one pound. ---------- --Nathan Heck Lead Technician, Lone Wolf Blues Co. customerservice@lonewolfblues.com
I have ordered one of these. It has two purposes for me: I like the idea that you don't need a backup amp with you on tour - if your or the drummers amp dies, the show goes on. AND it can be used if the amp provided at some venues/festivals/jams is dreadful - which happens often enough. Easier than the alternative.
I don't maintain that the sound is the same as a decent amp but still a useful piece of kit. I have used the Harp Break and Delay pedals from LW for this purpose and an all-in-one pedal is easier.
so its basically like 3 pedals in one kind of like what line 6 did with its m13 platform I wonder how much it would cost for LWB to pull of a model like that with all of its pedals
Mine showed up at the post office whileI was having unplanned retinal detachment surgery! I expect to have it later today, but will not be able to give it a thorough go through -- not supposed to be moving around much yet -- won't A/B, but will at least blow a few notes/chords through my crappy PA -- just seems so frickin convenient -- especially to an old guy!
Hang in there on the eye, TJ. I've have four of those surgeries this past year. Worst part was three weeks of no harping each time. Well, maybe not the worst part, but you'll get past it. Do what the doc says.... fil (another old guy) ---------- Phil Pennington
First impression: happy to gig with this, especially when convenience is desired. Strong signal via XLR to PA. I suspect audience would not have the foggiest idea or care that you were not playing through an amp; and once I'm playing, I'm paying way more attention to playing well than splitting hairs about subtleties of sound -- I can't imagine that I would be distracted by this not being a tube amp. And it is really four pedals in one if you count the XLR out (DI box). And thanks for the kind words about my retina!
Last Edited by TetonJohn on Nov 09, 2015 3:16 PM
Well I have now received my Boogieman and I have to say I am very happy. It does everything it is supposed to :-)
Of course, ideally we wouldn't need a pedal such as this as every festival, club gig and jam would provide us with what we need. No chance! So I have been using the LW Delay and Break for a while to make sure I get a decent sound out of ANY amp at any volume. It really can do that!
I plan on using it the way I have been using the other pedals 1. as a way of pimping average amps to get my sound. 2 as a backup in case my amp dies when I'm on the road. 3 to be used to go straight into the PA when there is no amp. This pedal will certainly do all of these things. And well.
I watched a recent review on YT and the amp the dude was playing out of sounded a heck of a lot better than his boogieman... Operator error? or my ears?
I was unexpectedly ampless last night (guitarists apparently have priority ;-)) and played the BMan straight into the board. Not up there with my Marble Harpwood but GOOD. In fact, I was commented on the "great" sound :-0 That's the peace of mind I was looking for with the BMan as a backup. R
Just wanted to give you all a quick update on my experience with the Boogieman. I have now played multiple jams and gigs with the pedals and can HIGHLY recommend it. In fact, I am yet to find myself in a situation where it hasn't been useful!
Several harp-unfriendly amps have been made to sound great. I also played a gig at the weekend where, although the actual club wasn't that small, the stage was. So after all the others had set up, I realized there would not be any great position for my amp - drummers, pianists and guitarists have priority apparently. So I just used the pedal and went straight into the PA. I'm not claiming there is no difference to my amp setup - either vintage Fenders/Gibsons or my Marble Harpwood) but I do maintain that the sound is MORE than acceptable. Both my band and the audience commented on the "fantastic" sound. We are a fully professional outfit that has backed many greats including Mitch and RJ in recent years so the Boogieman has got to be good.
I am very pkeased that I have added this to my arsenal and would not like to be without it.
I have watched Marco's video of the boogieman into a PA and it sounds like what I am after. At some venues I just cannot use my amp with the rather loud blues/rock band I am in as to get loud enough myself I just feedback. In this situation I just opt for the trusty sm57 into the PA. This sounds pretty good but I am not benefitting from the effect that I get from my LW harp tone+ and delay. My question is to those with the boogieman box and Nathan is- Is the boogieman into a PA the end to any feedback problems either with my sm57and impedence converter or my Green Bullet? Thanks from a wet late spring day on the south coast of England
I doubt the BMan would change the tendency to feedback through the PA. it depends where the speakers are relevant to you and your mic. If you're too close to the speakers/monitor you will feedback, as with the lead vocals mic. However, assuming you are not, you'll be fine. I've never had any trouble. If you don't feedback with the sm57 into the PA, you won't with the BMan either. R
Hi I have one of these pedals and its a great improvement for playing amplified blues harmonica works on effects loop or direct to amp input. I haven't been able work out low Z output thing I ended up using the 1/4 high impedence into a harmoniser box (sorry not sure which one) to the PA rather than PA direct. I'm guessing the little transfer box the sound guy uses converts signal high to low same as the Boogieman lo Z output not sure why it didn't work. I will try XLR low into a PA direct this arvo and see if I can get a signal. Otherwise any info about this would be greatly appreciated thanks JR
Yep, it works the same way as the DI box provided by the tech guys. Just run an XLR cable straight into the PA. You can either use the pedal by itself instead of an amp or take the signal from the pedal and add it to the amp sound already on the stage - personal preference. If you set the PA up correctly, it's foolproof.
