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Bb
153 posts
Jan 30, 2010
9:44 AM
Ha! I should probably be kicked off the board for actively trying to incite a riot. :^)
-Bob
Oliver
135 posts
Jan 30, 2010
9:49 AM
Beatles for me!
addict
75 posts
Jan 30, 2010
9:53 AM
The Beatles were always closer to my head and the Rolling Stones closer to my heart.
Bb
154 posts
Jan 30, 2010
9:57 AM
Addict, that is an awesome way to sum it up. Debate over. Lock the thread. ;^)
-Bob
Rick Davis
128 posts
Jan 30, 2010
9:59 AM
Back then: Beatles!

Today: Stones!

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ZackPomerleau
572 posts
Jan 30, 2010
10:02 AM
None of them. hahaha.
Bb
155 posts
Jan 30, 2010
10:04 AM
Now flinging outrage and insults @ Zack! Ha! :^)
-Bob
Diggsblues
97 posts
Jan 30, 2010
10:14 AM
This is to controversial for me. I can't handle it.LOL
John my first harmonica inspiration.
Jagger and Brian my second this led to
Howlin' Wolf on Shindig Or Hulaballoo.
saregapadanisa
93 posts
Jan 30, 2010
10:18 AM
Well, the Beatles had the good taste to dissolve early.
scottb
94 posts
Jan 30, 2010
10:27 AM
The Beatles.

Always a fan. Really they are what turned me on to music as something other than background noise in the car.

With the recent Box sets and Rock Band releases (it was for the kids and that's my story!) I have reflected back on their career. 7 years! Look at the musical / cultural evolution in only seven years. From the albums, the singles, the tours, the movies all of it in such a short period of time. Amazing!
pharpo
116 posts
Jan 30, 2010
10:37 AM
Alot like Rick...The Beatles first....then the Stones. Then the Yardbirds / Mayall / Hendrix /Clapton.....They got me interested in the blues. After looking into THEIR influences....I discover Robert Johnson / Howlin Wolf / Muddy Waters and so on.
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Music is your own experience, your own thoughts, your wisdom. If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn. They teach you there's a boundary line to music. But, man, there's no boundary line to art. - Charlie Parker
Andrew
852 posts
Jan 30, 2010
10:44 AM
I just can't bear to listen to the Beatles any more.
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eharp
481 posts
Jan 30, 2010
10:54 AM
gotta go with the greatest rock 'n roll band in the world.
RyanMortos
584 posts
Jan 30, 2010
10:56 AM
I like a lot of Beatles songs but I like nearly every Stones song. For me they are different bands for different moods. Though, I heard a rumor that the Stones were in the studio again & I kinda wish they'd just drop it so we could remember them at their best, their last few albums just, ugh.

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ZackPomerleau
573 posts
Jan 30, 2010
11:23 AM
I think the Beatles are overrated, they are just a basic pop group and copied the music of lesser people before the styles got big. The Stones are cool, they did Blues, but I'm not a huge fan.
JimInMO
36 posts
Jan 30, 2010
11:23 AM
I was managing the record dept. of a music store in St. Joe, MO in the early 60's. Capitol rep tried to load me up with Beatles LP's I liked the Stones better and didn't order many. Record store up the street skunked me on that one. Didn't care much for the Beatles up until Rubber Soul. Solid fan after that although the Stones have always appealed to the latent rebel in me. Dang, Keith is my age and still going strong. I'm falling apart!
ZackPomerleau
575 posts
Jan 30, 2010
11:29 AM
The Who and The Doors, they are awesome.
clyde
1 post
Jan 30, 2010
11:32 AM
i thought they both were fine ....however for my r&b from young brits i thought the manfred mann band was great with paul jones out front and on the harp. he was really the first harp guy that got me to put up grandpas tremolo and buy my first(really steal-borrow)mb from my dad.
clyde
Hollistonharper
147 posts
Jan 30, 2010
11:36 AM
No contest--Stones are a great rocknroll band, but the Beatles changed the world.
shanester
91 posts
Jan 30, 2010
11:39 AM
To me they are incomparable, apples and oranges, two different realms...

I love the heart and mind of the beatles, and I guess for the stones, it's the loins, the sexuality.
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Tuckster
374 posts
Jan 30, 2010
11:48 AM
Yep. Apples and oranges. I like them both.
Zack-I think you're missing it on the Beatles. It's not just nostalgia.Their songwriting and imaginative use of different instruments was just great. They've become so much a part of the "musical fabric",you might be taking them for granted.
schaef6o
25 posts
Jan 30, 2010
11:48 AM
the stones have been putting out the same album for the last 30 years.
ZackPomerleau
577 posts
Jan 30, 2010
12:08 PM
Tuckster, when they first came out they did Buddy Holly music, then when Pyschedelia came in, they did that. Sure they did a lot of instrumentation, and studio stuff, but music innovators? I don't get that so much. If you ask me The Who are the more prominent innovators. They brought forth the complete use of distortion, a frontman, the drums became more than just the beat, they did everything.
Bb
157 posts
Jan 30, 2010
12:10 PM
I play in bars every weekend. The Stones covers make the cougars shake they asses.

That is all. :^)

-Bob
Diggsblues
100 posts
Jan 30, 2010
12:38 PM
Fool on the Hill is a great harp song.
George Martin the 5th Beatles is a Genius.
scottb
96 posts
Jan 30, 2010
12:50 PM
The WHO? You're kidding, right?
nacoran
942 posts
Jan 30, 2010
1:47 PM
Zack, I think maybe you are underestimating the breadth of the Beatles catalog. They were huge innovators later in their careers. They mixed foreign scales and instruments into their music, they where huge in creating the idea that an album didn't have to just have sounds you could play on stage and they created some of the greatest lyrics on the planet. Find another band that can have songs as different as 'Why Don't We do it the Road' and 'Let it Be'. If I had to make a list of the 10 greatest rock albums of all time 'The White Album' and 'Sgt. Peppers' would both be on there. If 'Abbey Road' didn't make the cut it would certainly be close.

Did they do music that other people where doing? Everyone does to some extent, but part of what the Beatles were was that they did everything and mashed it together. Sgt. Pepper was a concept album before Tommy was released.

Don't get me wrong, I don't hate The Who and I like some Stones, but Beatles, hands down.
Tuckster
375 posts
Jan 30, 2010
2:02 PM
Ah,the Who.Now it's apples,orange and uh-bananas. I love the Who. I'm old enough,that when they were "current",my favorite of the 3 was the Who. The Beatles were cerebral,the Stones hard drugs and depraved sex(scared me) but the Who appealed to my working class sensibility.Live at Leeds is still one of my favorites.But I don't think they were any more innovative than the Beatles. Just different. The Beatles song catalog is huge! I'm not sure anyone(or two) has written so many really good songs that have held up over time.Rubber Soul,Revolver-there's no fluff-well written songs,one after another. Sgt. Peppers set the world on it's ear when it first came out. Like most innovators,they weren't the first to do it,but the first to popularize it.At the time,everyone was following their lead. Admittedly,it's hard for me to be objective,since I grew up to the Beatles,but I can't think of anyone(Cole Porter?) who has written more great songs.
Kingley
762 posts
Jan 30, 2010
2:23 PM
I can't that I have ever liked the music of either.
Aussiesucker
522 posts
Jan 30, 2010
10:19 PM
Beatles get my vote. Like nearly everything they did. Saw them and I was amongst the mammoth crowds that welcomed them. Unsurpassed in Oz even to this day.

The Stones are good but different generation.

Not a big fan of rock bands. Country Rock a different matter - great. Also loved Dire Straits different creative and Mark Knopfler simply brilliant.

Most of the other UK rock groups down thru the generations just got louder and noisier. Showing my age?
oldwailer
1037 posts
Jan 30, 2010
10:47 PM
It depends--Beatles if I'm sober--Stones loaded--the more stoneder, the more Stoneser.

Back in the Beatles days--I was actually more into Janice Joplin and the Holding Co.--I saw her once and she raised the hair on my scrotum.

Dire Straits was 'way cool too--but there was also Cream and Doors and Canned Heat and Moody Blues and Credence Clearwater and Hendrix and I could get lost in the great bands during the Beatles Era--they just don't make Eras like that anymore!
CJames
157 posts
Jan 30, 2010
10:56 PM
Beatles
CJames
158 posts
Jan 30, 2010
10:56 PM
Moody blues!
Andrew
854 posts
Jan 31, 2010
4:56 AM
I don't know why, but I've never been interested in listening to the Who. I don't know why.
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CJames
159 posts
Jan 31, 2010
5:04 AM
i know why, they just aren't that good
Nastyolddog
141 posts
Jan 31, 2010
5:11 AM
Frank Frost
DirtyDeck
9 posts
Jan 31, 2010
5:40 AM
Haha! Well said CJ. But I used to think that about the Stones. Gave 40 licks a few listens and still wasn't convinced. Then I got Aftermath and was converted, a tune like Under My Thumb does so much for me. There's a certain charm that comes with the Stones, some of those lyrics are so dodgy yet so good, there's a scruffiness to their sound or something...I dunno...

But yes! The Beatles,Rubber Soul, love it all but thats my favourite album, its just clinker from strt to finish - The Word, Michelle, I'm looking through you,The End - ah! So good!!

The Who I like a bit, won't get fooled again is good. Pete Townshend seems a bit of a twat though!
CJames
160 posts
Jan 31, 2010
7:01 AM
yeah don't like pete at all. But Sergent Peppers, Abbey road are my favourite beatles albums i think. The more LSD oriented ones!
ZackPomerleau
581 posts
Jan 31, 2010
7:21 AM
Nacoran, I'm not underestimating. They are important, but I think their importance is inflated big time. They didn't do anything new until like 1966, and that's when all the great bands came out of the woodworks.
Andrew
856 posts
Jan 31, 2010
7:43 AM
The Beatles did great pop in their early years, then for a short while in 1966 they were cutting edge experimental, then the West Coast scene and Hendrix, and so on, eclipsed them in 1967, and thereafter the Beatles had a tough job not to sound old-fashioned, quaint and twee. I think that's how it goes. Compare Sergeant Pepper with Are You Experienced, both 1967.
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Last Edited by on Jan 31, 2010 9:12 AM
eharp
489 posts
Jan 31, 2010
8:38 AM
the beatles were the ones that opened the trail that others were slowly making their way thru.
it has been said that the beatles "exploded" onto the scene. others would have gotten there eventually, but i think the fab four quickened the process. for that, people are usually given props.
pharpo
120 posts
Jan 31, 2010
8:58 AM
So did - Lady GaGa-----oooohh
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Music is your own experience, your own thoughts, your wisdom. If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn. They teach you there's a boundary line to music. But, man, there's no boundary line to art. - Charlie Parker
scottb
97 posts
Jan 31, 2010
8:59 AM
Yes, NSYNC and the BAckstreet Boys did that (actually it was New Kids on the Block and New Edition that opened the door for them) and that is why pop music is in the state it is in.

The Beatles led the way to one of the greatest eras in pop / rock music.

And one more point about the Who. Look at what they were doing in 1965 while the Beatles were doing Rubber Soul and Revolver. The Who was sounding an awful lot like the Beatles from 63 and 64 and not doing it nearly as well.
ZackPomerleau
585 posts
Jan 31, 2010
9:00 AM
I don't agree on The Who bit. Personally, I think Bob Dylan and Hendrix were more important.
Andrew
858 posts
Jan 31, 2010
9:15 AM
Yeah, I'd forgotten about Bob Dylan. I had his first 3 albums on vinyl from 1976 onwards, but didn't get heavily into him. Then I bought the same albums a couple of years ago on CD, but felt that they were really old-fashioned, and the lyrics were sadly dated - The Times They Are a Changin in the world of George W and Jebb? The irony was so bitter it was painful.
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Last Edited by on Jan 31, 2010 9:17 AM
scottb
98 posts
Jan 31, 2010
9:52 AM
Now we are really talking apples and oranges.

Dylan certainly was/is a genius in the whole folk-rock / songwriting genre and no doubt Hendrix revolutionized how the guitar is played. There is basically pre-Hendrix guitar and post-Hendrix guitar.

But similarly, there are pre-Beatles pop/rock bands and post-Beatles pop/rock bands. They changed how bands recorded music, they changed the definition of an album, they gave permission for pop bands to experiment with different instruments from the sitar to an orchestra, with recording techniques from cutting up tape and throwing it in the air and resplicing it to running it backwards through the player. They changed the definition of success for a band.

...and The Who blew up a drum kit on TV.
nacoran
948 posts
Jan 31, 2010
12:01 PM
The Beatles, music aside, where a lyric driven band. If you look through their catalog they have some of the greatest lyrics ever written. 'Yesterday', 'Let it Be', 'While My Guitar Gently Weeps', 'In My Life', 'With a Little Help from My Friends' (although I like the Joe Cocker cover better than their version), 'A Day in the Life', 'Revolution', 'Rocky Raccoon!!!', they just wrote great song after great song.
wallyns10
141 posts
Jan 31, 2010
2:05 PM
Zack if you can't hear how great the beatles were and what they did for music...then either you have never really listened to them or you are WAY dumber (in terms of music) then I thought you to be. The stones were a joke, and for the record Their Satanic Majesty was a blatant Sergent Peppers knockoff. That being said The Who were fucking AMAZING and the doors suck (respectively).
wallyns10
142 posts
Jan 31, 2010
2:07 PM
Nacoran, they had phenominal lyrics in a lot of songs but they were FAR from being "lyrically driven."


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