Yes originally it was five. I thought three would be easier for people to decide. I'm taking, viewing time, attention span etc into consideration. I'm easy, but if you think people would wear five I'm happy to change it. ----------
Seeing as the rules are being changed during the event, it might cause less confusion and or debate to stick with what is still in the original rules thread.
People will have to listen to all 24 entries to make a decision, anyway.
I think that Stickman is probably right that it will be 'easier'. But, in my view, that's not the point. The rules were debated, passed round, bickered over, cogitated, exposed to public enquiry, cross-referenced and verified, subjected to more scrutiny, and debated even further, months ago. ---------- YouTube SlimHarpMick
Yeah! Don't I just know it. I'll change it back to five then but don't be surprised if the voting turnout is low because we're giving people too much work to do.
I'd like to see the posts where this part of the rules were discussed. Contest versus Challenge Yes I agree, but the numbers to be voted for, I don't recall that.
We've got to be careful here, making it too difficult and time consuming is going to put people off participating. In the end it's only for FUN! there's not a great deal at stake.
Let me know when you want it changed back to three.
@jaymcc28@ Rule 3 said "Ensure the words ‘HPC3 Solo Harp Jam Challenge’ and your MBH handle are included in the Title and Description fields of your YouTube entry". Not everyone did. We need to be flexible about these things within reason. If the essence of the rules are to be followed steadfastly, myself and about ten others should be disqualified.
Common sense prevails. Thanks Isaac. Editing now. We're going to need a "drains-up" discussion when this is over to learn what we can do to improve things more. I must admit to being a little dissapointed with the turnout seeing as I was pushing and pushing. Maybe I pushed a little too hard and pissed a few people off? Yes OK, I'll lose the HPC4 signature banner soon. I'm just winding people up. ----------
Hey, whatever works. It's really no big deal for me. However,Tooka, I think there's a difference between someone not naming an entry correctly and how many votes people are allowed to make. One affects the 'outcome', if there were an actual contest, and the other just might make it harder to find the video.
But like I said, it's all good. Not worth arguing about when there's bigger topics like "OB or no OB" that we can heatedly weigh in on ;)
---------- "Take out your false teeth, momma, I want to suck on your gums."-P. Wolf
Yeah! I'd like to get into that OB/no OB fight too but I'm tied up. Anyway, I've followed Isaac's suggestion and gone for "no more than 5". By the way jaymcc28, I thought you looked a lot younger in your video when you weren't wearing a hat. ----------
tooka, I think the turnup is actually pretty good. You did as much as anybody could dream off (and more).
If you think about it, there's a steady increase since the first HPC. The word of the MBH contest has to spread and I'm sure there will be even more participants at HPC4.
Please, keep the banner up at least until the voting is over.
Btw. I want to think that the change to the harpfriends group didn't affect it too much either... and I apologize for the extra work it has burdened you with.
---------- germanharpist on YT. =;-) - Resonance is KEY!
tookatooka, you have done a great job with this! Thank you for being the one to be accountable and manage this and make it happen! You are a huge contribution to this forum! ---------- http://www.youtube.com/1shanester
Hi GH Thanks. There wasn't a great deal of extra work involved with the group but it is still not functioning correctly. There are so many things that appear to be wrong with it. I did try to analyse the problems but it was taking too much of my time. Hopefully other groups will also be having problems and bring it to YouTubes attention and sort it out.
Hey tooka-Sorry I was all wishywashy and didn't name my stuff properly(or at least not thoroughly). I was mulling 'competing', and finally just decided that I have nothing to lose(lost most of my dignity already!). Thanks for the hustle. ---------- Todd L. Greene, V.P.
Tooka- Sorry I didn't get one in. I recorded but I got caught up trying to add post effects and by the time it was done I thought I'd save it for when you have a contest for Fruity Loops like music. I did post it on the forum as a audio only, so the contest did make me get something out there. Thanks for all your hard work. When is the voting deadline?
Why Tooka, thanks for the compliment! I guess an old hat makes one look old. That hat was one from a dear friend. It was his father's hat who had recently passed away at the age of 90. His dad wore that hat constantly.
And, I agree, you've done a GREAT job promoting and keeping HPC3 on everyone's mind! It was fun and, more importantly, a great learning experience! Great Job, Bro!
---------- "Take out your false teeth, momma, I want to suck on your gums."-P. Wolf
I'm not trying to be a pain in the a**e, but something else has come to mind.
We agreed that people would include a self-assessment of their skill level/number of years playing in their YT description so that they could be judged fairly against people who've been playing for eons. Those who were around at the time discussed this ad nausium.
Anyway, some have done so and some haven't. That makes that fair mindedness we spent endless hours typing about null and void.
Question: shall I disqualify those who didn't comply with that - thus, being fair to those who did - or shall I just vote regardless of peoples' skill levels/years playing?
I know it's not a big deal, but those present at the time hashed all this out at great length.
By the way, I don't mind either way.
EDIT: or shall we just ask them to update their YT description? I now it's only a bit of fun, but if we're going to compete, we may as well have rules and stick to them. Otherwise, what's the point? ---------- YouTube SlimHarpMick
Last Edited by on Feb 01, 2010 11:32 AM
tookatooka, I want to thank you for your effort promoting blues harp and encouraging new players like me. I look forward to viewing every entry as well as making more videos of myself in the future. Thanks!
@ HarmonicaMick-duly noted. I for one didn't put my 'level'. If I must follow the assessment that Adam has provided, with Advanced Intermediate being the top, then that's me. Unlike many of the posters, I've been playing for a long time, so, in all fairness, don't vote for me, not that I think an alarming amount would, but I don't wanna be 'a ringer'. I wish there was such a thing as this forum(or the internet for that matter) and HPC's when I had only been playing a little while!
---------- Todd L. Greene, V.P.
Last Edited by on Feb 01, 2010 12:03 PM
I'm glad there weren't more entries. As is there is over 50 min of video to watch and I feel to be fair I have to watch all of them. As for how many I'll stick to 3. It's easier, and to change the rules to make things easier is alright with me. As for skill level, I am in the group that says "keep it a contest and win based on what you can do not how long you have been playing." Also Tooka do you want the votes in order. I noticed last time many people voted "in no particular order". I thing tossing 5 names up in no order could make things tricky when tallying votes.
Thanks for all your hard work Tooka. Good job trying to please everybody. I think you put on a really good show. I wonder who is going to host HPC4? ---------- The Art Teacher Formally Known As scstrickland
@Mick: "We agreed that people would include a self-assessment of their skill level/number of years playing in their YT description so that they could be judged fairly against people who've been playing for eons. Those who were around at the time discussed this ad nausium.
Anyway, some have done so and some haven't. That makes that fair mindedness we spent endless hours typing about null and void."
Mick, I don't think we need take any action against folks who broke one of the "rules"--they have only shot themselves in the foot. The way to "enforce" will be to make sure that the rules are posted boldly on the voting thread. This way, the voters can make up their own minds about whether a specific entry should be penalized for not adhering to the rules of the contest.
I've gone one round through all the vids, and I'm making my second round. The infractions I've seen so far include 1) Over the time limit (but not by much) 2) Singing 3) Use of a looper 4) Not putting your name in the title, and 5) Not giving a proper description of your skill level.
Personally, I'll forgive an infraction or two if the entry seems genuine or from a relative newb. Those entries that sound like the player is more advanced, but which have also not kept to the rules, well, I just knock 'em down a tier in my list. That's all...
German Harpist, The lesson on posting on you tube and Harp Friends was like taking a breath as compared to the mental wall that was there before. It made it so I could enter the challange. Thank you, Brian
I'm not really making a suggestion. Rather, I'm just trying to be fair, that's all.
I think that had I not brought it up in the form of a question, then someone else might have.
I certainly don't want to penalize anyone's hard efforts. That would be sh***y, and quite out of the spirit of the thing. ---------- YouTube SlimHarpMick
Wait! HarmonicaMick AND harmonicanick? are you kidding me? I can't keep half the people on here straight as it is.
@ HarmoniocaMICK, I can't I'm too lazy. Maybe over the summer when I'm unemployed. ---------- The Art Teacher Formally Known As scstrickland
Last Edited by on Feb 01, 2010 11:56 AM
I agree with ya Mick! I'm sure that the proletariat will speak for themselves! ;)
I just made my votes, and posted them on the correct thread. I made sure to describe my voting process clearly and to give reasons for why I voted the way I did. Hopefully, it can serve as a sort of outline or suggestive guideline for other voters?
Howsabout a HP challenge thingie with more experienced players in mind? That could be fun.
I will have to wait to get home to see/hear the entries and vote(at work now). Thanks for breaking the ice, Isaac. ---------- Todd L. Greene, V.P.
Last Edited by on Feb 01, 2010 1:10 PM
Tooka, you did a great job with this. Thanks so much. And thanks to Germanharpist too for keeping on top of Youtube.
I have one suggestion for next time. I was under the impression that by the term "jam" in HPC3, we had fixed on a style of play too, i.e. a rhythmic composition of some sort. I was surprised to see such a diversity of offerings. Not that I'm complaining too much, but it makes it a bit hard to compare. I suggest that next time we narrow it down more, to e.g. slow blues, or some other more specific type of song.
Tooka - Thanks for you great work ! I wish I could have made it 25,,, but I procrastinated and then got sick as H**L. ---------- Music is your own experience, your own thoughts, your wisdom. If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn. They teach you there's a boundary line to music. But, man, there's no boundary line to art. - Charlie Parker
We had a 'fixed piece' in the first two HPCs, and I thought this was a lot more interesting. Furthermore, it seemed a bit more liberating to put up anything you wanted, stuff that was your choice.
@pharpo@ Sorry to hear you were not well.Hope you are better now. Next time please jump in.
@mr_so&so@ Yes jam can mean many things to many people. I suggested to Isaac that we have a "drains-up" discussion when this is all over to discuss improvements and the evolution of the HPC concept. Maybe you could jump in and let your thoughts be known? But be warned, it's hard trying to keep everyone happy.
Hi Bro's,,Took talk a bout a Bro decitated to a cause,,i owe you more than 3 cheers for your Dedication to the Humble Harmonica,,MBH,,all the MBH Bothers & Sisters,,your Fellow Man,,ie Politicle correction fellow Persons,,and The Music,,Good onya Mate ya bloods worth Botleing,,I was Just Pleased to enter the comp not trying to win it's a Fun Thing...
@ Tooka, I know I was a little late but why did my submition to the hpc3 not make it? Whatever the reason I am ok with it. :)
Last Edited by on Feb 02, 2010 1:13 AM
Profound Apologies to "bluesnut" and "jodanchudan"
Two of our members took the time and effort to create entries for HPC3 and I screwed up. I now know where the problem occured and I should have been more aware of the problems people were having trying to get their entries in.
jodanchudan posted his entry on the old Harpfriends Channel which I had stopped monitoring because most people had been contacting me with their entries on the forum. I didn't check the old channel because I didn't think anyone was using it.
bluesnut somehow posted his entry on the new Harpfriends Group and I should have transferred it to the Harpfriends Group HPC3 Topic. I know I needed to transfer two or three and I did transfer the others but overlooked yours for some reason.
It was the Harpfriends Group HPC3 Topic from where I transferred all the videos to the forum video list. If they weren't in the topic they didn't get transferred. Damn.
I'm not sure how I can make ammends to you but I will be putting your entries into the list this morning. Unfortunately some people have already voted so I include your videos in this thread for a little extra exposure so that if anyone who has already voted wants to revise their votes thay can. This thread is getting just as much traffic as the video list thread. So people will see it.
If anyone has any other ideas how I can deal with this problem please let me know.
We really must review our use of getting entries into YouTube because the YouTube Group just does not work properly and the confusion of having a Harpfriends Channel and a Harpfriends Group is doing just that, causing confusion.
Once again,
Profound Apologies to "bluesnut" and "jodanchudan"
