Bluzdude46
497 posts
Feb 22, 2010
7:15 AM
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Any of you guys that have purchased this know if mailing a check is only way to order this? talk about taking forever!
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joshnat
32 posts
Feb 22, 2010
9:15 AM
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As far as I know he doesn't take PayPal or credit cards. I got a money order from the post office and express mailed it to him. I had the AFB in my hands 3 days later.
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jonsparrow
2346 posts
Feb 22, 2010
9:18 AM
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what he said.
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HarpNinja
199 posts
Feb 22, 2010
9:18 AM
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I did the same as joshnat. Worth every penny in my book although there are cheaper (but different) solutions.
Kinder could make a ton more money by lowering the price to that of a typical pedal (even like $250) and then making a formal and reliable means of ordering online. Who wouldn't want one???
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jonsparrow
2347 posts
Feb 22, 2010
9:25 AM
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they could raise the price an people would still buy it. its the only one of its kind out there. an boutique pedals are allways more expensive then manufactured ones.
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HarpNinja
201 posts
Feb 22, 2010
10:09 AM
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While I agree to a point, he'd make up a lot by just the sheer volume. There is no way his overhead (not sure about labor) is that huge with this thing.
With his eclectic nature regarding this piece of gear, there is probably a reason he hasn't raised prices. Like, for example, he can pump them out fairly quick.
I guess I am just thinking about this like custom harp builders. Their prices don't go up because they are harder to make...they go up because of demand or increased costs to manufacture.
Kinder also has competition with other pedals and forms of feedback killing via amps, mics, etc. While it is unique, it is an extreme way to handle feedback due to cost and availability.
Another thought...Jason Ricci has obviously inspired a lot of pedal users. The Kinder is a huge part of his sound in a couple of ways, but I bet Jason has sold more delay and BBE pedals with his useage than AFB's. You can find those pedals all over and they aren't overly expensive. If you totaled the profits for the makers of said pedals, I bet they are substantial.
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Bluzdude46
498 posts
Feb 22, 2010
10:41 AM
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Ok Mike, What option is as effective as the afb+ ?
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HarpNinja
202 posts
Feb 22, 2010
10:44 AM
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Depends on your rig and situation.
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Bluzdude46
499 posts
Feb 22, 2010
11:18 AM
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Exactly, I got to try a friends unit and wether I'm using a 5w Epi, the 33w Bogen or The '59 reissue the afb works on all tube amps. Yea I wish it was less. I also wish I could Paypal it and be done.
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Leonid
41 posts
Feb 22, 2010
12:35 PM
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How the hell I order it from UK? I have sent him am email ages ago, no rsponse...
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6SN7
25 posts
Feb 22, 2010
12:37 PM
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I don't think there is anything remotely fully comparable to the AFB+ on the market. you either want it or don't. comparative shopping is not involved here. what's there to talk about with mr. kinder then, other than where do i send the check? nothing.
i called him at his tele #. he answered, he was pleasant, i sent the money check in and got it in week.
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Leonid
42 posts
Feb 22, 2010
12:43 PM
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I have called him as well, couldn't get through. I will try again later.
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HarpNinja
211 posts
Feb 22, 2010
12:47 PM
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Not familiar with the Bogen. I'd imagine it'd work well with the Epi, but doesn't it get to dirty? When Buddha was using a Bassman RI, he used a 10 band eq and re10...I played the amp more than once on a setting of 6 with no feedback...the amp was using a 5u4 and 12ax7 tubes.
There are circuit tweaks that can be done on a Bassman that can get it crazy loud w/o the pedal. But I don't think just because you can crank it you should.
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toddlgreene
855 posts
Feb 22, 2010
1:06 PM
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'But I don't think just because you can crank it you should.' Bingo. Good point, Mike.
The main problem most harp players encounter is getting enough volume onstage, especially when facing Animal on drums and guitarists and/or bassists who play at 11, so to speak. This problem only gets exacerbated when Joe Harmonica Player tries to compete in the volume department, and then suddenly he's public enemy number one with killer feedback.
There's a few solutions, and not necessarily a simple fix, without the need of any anti-feedback device:
1. School the band(where applicable-DON'T walk into a jam with folks you don't know and do this)if time and situation allow-tell them set the stage amp volumes loud enough for the soundman to get a good signal either thru mics or line-outs AND where they are getting a good tone. Seldom does any guitar amp have to scream to sound good-that's a macho thing. Let the p.a. system do its job by amplifying all this to the house. The soundman will love you, for one!
2. If you amp gets reasonably loud(I wish I had the answer in decibals), turn it to the point where your tone is agreeable to you, but the amp isn't feeding back. Again, mic it to the PA or use a line out if your amp has one. I hate when I go to a show and the harp amp isn't mic'd, but cranked up onstage-you can only hear it if you're in line with it in the audience.
volume wars SUCK!
(Not that I wouldn't like to have an AFB, but once you've played with a band that understands the principles above, you'll be spoiled.)
Edit:Sorry, this is really an off-topic rant, but I feel better now.
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HTrain
9 posts
Feb 22, 2010
2:11 PM
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Had exactly the same experience. Money order was the only way from Canada. Whenever I did catch him on the phone, he was great - friendly and informative (regarding processing the order and time frames). It did take a longer time to receive the AFB+ than promised but I'm glad I have it now.
It just takes all the fussing out of setting up at a jam (I'm relatively new and only play at jams) - you know the "you're on next", take a few quick minutes to set up for 20 - 25 minutes of play, then get off ASAP, type of situation. Not like a band setting up with sound checks etc.
Bottom line for me - yeah, not a smooth "off the shelf" type of ordering but exactly what I need cause it does work and no fuss!!
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Bluzdude46
502 posts
Feb 22, 2010
3:06 PM
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Honestly sir, I didn't bring the gun looking for trouble, but if somebody started a war I was gonna hold up my end!!
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toddlgreene
859 posts
Feb 22, 2010
3:09 PM
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haha...I won't be fighting any wars with my Epi.
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