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Multiple 8 inch speakers
Multiple 8 inch speakers
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Jarno
41 posts
Aug 13, 2024
10:49 AM
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Hi everybody,
Lately I've been thinking of changing my 2x10 setup to 4x8.
The thing is; almost every venue I play insists on miking the harp amp. Even the small bars. Personally I find this ridiculous. It's a lot of work setting up and soundchecking.
Even the drumkit gets miked! Why??
Now my amp sounds terrific. National Stage star with a Lil'Buddy and WGS Veteran 10. And plenty loud! Stage sound and volume is very good.
But... I'm getting complaints from sound guys, telling me I am too loud!! So they can't mix me in like they would want.
Anybody else have this problem?
I previously tried a 12 inch Canabis Rex and it was very loud a few meters from the stage, but wasn't on stage. Very beamy. And very clean sounding.
I have no experience with 8 inch speakers apart from my Vibrochamp (which I love!) My National amp originally came with 4 oval speakers, but one of them was busted, so I changed them out.
The question is; would 4x8 get me a sweet and powerful sound on stage without being too loud for the soundguys and people "in the firing line"? In other words- more spread?
Any opinions most welcome!
Kind regards,
Jarno
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snowman
855 posts
Aug 13, 2024
2:21 PM
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From everything I've studied 10" is ideal. Has to do the reflex of the speaker. Also the frequencies of harp.
I Wouldn't change yr speakers.
I have an old version "the mojo pad". I frickin love it.
I assume u like the amount of crunch u get, when at loud volume. Tubes break up etc.
the mojo pad
works by counteracting the high gain in the preamp of the amplifier by padding down the signal before it enters the amp.
This allows the amplifier to achieve greater volume and opens up the tone control settings on the amp for a greater range of operation.
So on my amp I dont hear anything until at about 10 or 11 oclock. But what I hear is broken up [like when at high volume]
basically your amps workin hard, so it breaks up-but u can tame the overall volume
So u can have the same tone u have at high volume,at a lower volume.
U can then mic the cab and use monitors.
Make sure u tell sound guy to check with u after couple songs, cuz band gets louder--u'ii need yr monitors to come up as well.
heres the new version of what i have
https://www.lonewolfblues.com/collections/effect-pedals/products/mojo-pad-deluxe
I use with fake bassman [4x10 peavy]--
What it does
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snowman
856 posts
Aug 13, 2024
2:32 PM
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ps I have it velcroid to my amp.
I use it as last thing going into pre-amp- after pedals
1]Mic---------2]Feedback stopper pedal "gate" sorta ------3] Mojo pad-----[to amp input]
I use 'effects out' for
1]Sonic stomp pedal [helps cut through loud guitars]
2] Delay pedal [Lone wolf] "slapback" much thicker sound
Use the amps reverb---
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Gabriel.Harmonic
106 posts
Aug 14, 2024
3:52 PM
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Here would be my contribution based on experience. Context of my experiences: Have played harp 51 years, was full-time pro by age 20 (Super Reverb, 1950 Tweed Deluxe those days), met Sonny Jr. 1976 (expert on harp speakers and we have discussed/experimented all of this in depth for many years), I've owned original Sonny Jr with 4 x 8" speakers, prototype of SJ2 with 4 x 8" + single 15", , owned about 9 original Tweed Bassmans (4 x 10") plus about 6 replica Bassmans (SJ410, customs), Bandmaster 3 x 10", etc. These amps have gigged small clubs 50-100 people, unmic'd but my Swing, Jazz, Blues band 10 years (we had our own sound person on all gigs), medium clubs and clubs up to 900 people. Outdoor and theatres at 650 people. Some clubs (like in Austin) like small amps, have sound people, like everything mic'd. Here in SoCal we don't often mic amps. Mark Hummel & I have had these discussions, I played his Bassman sitting in but we had both had the Sonny Jr with 6 x 8" speakers (I have gigged with the Gibson GA-90 also with 6x8") and our consensus was: 8" speakers produce good volume on stage but at about 15 feet out they drop WAY off. At same stage volume a 4 x 10" Bassman will carry the sound to the back of the room. The 8" speakers, if they insist on micing you might be just the ticket. Often time though the sound people do not know how to sit a harp in the mix properly. If you can't have a sound person then ask a friend to stand back of room and let you know how you are in the mix.....then bring that feedback to the sound person.
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Jarno
42 posts
Aug 31, 2024
12:50 PM
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Thanks for the response!!
Snowman, I'm not much of a pedal-guy. I hear other people using them with great effect, but never seem to get them to work for me. My own impatience, not the fault of the pedals. The only pedal I use (after trying out a lot!) is a Holy Grail reverb.
In this case I could also simply use a smaller amp.But I would like to keep stage volume and sound.
I have had only bad experiences with micing and monitoring. It's an extra feedback loop. It never seems to work for me. So I would like stage volume from my amp.
But thanks for the tip, though!
Gabriel,...wow. That's some real world experience! Those are some of the coolest amps, ever. We don't see much of those here in Europe.
Rooms may change in size night by night, but stage size is mostly about the same... So I could be on the right track!
So now I'm on the lookout for 8 inch speakers! I've heard good things about the WGS G8C. But some older Jensens could also be cool, maybe. Webers are difficult to get here.
Like I said, my amp came with 4 6x11 Rola speakers. One cone is beyond repair. I could maybe mix 8" with 6x11 or a 10 even... But 4x8 seems to me to be the most logical. Like a Gibson GA45.
Thanks again.
Last Edited by Jarno on Aug 31, 2024 12:51 PM
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