Killa_Hertz
286 posts
Jan 18, 2016
4:49 AM
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I eventually want to build a full set of Manjis.
I have a set of MB. G,A,Bb,C,& D
Eb & F are blues Harps i want to replace them with MBz eventually.
I have a few other models but the MBz are my gotos
But I would like to have a second set in Manji as Im really diggin em. Right now i only have a Bb & The two lows. (C & D)
Just to make conversation i thought ide ask what yall think.
Rons has 3 sets for like $160
Can't decide between
C,D,A
&
C,G,A
Which would yall get?
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Last Edited by Killa_Hertz on Jan 18, 2016 8:05 PM
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Killa_Hertz
287 posts
Jan 18, 2016
5:07 AM
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Its either buy one of them 3 sets
Or
Buy just a C manji.
And Buy a Brand New Lone Wolf Harp Attack.
(Or i could by both and try to hide the bill from the old lady) 8^)>
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Last Edited by Killa_Hertz on Jan 18, 2016 8:05 PM
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ME.HarpDoc
93 posts
Jan 18, 2016
4:50 PM
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Ok here's my logic. The most common keys used in blues are E,F, G and A. In cross harp, 2nd position, that would translate to harps in A, Bb, C and D respectively. The 3 set of A, C and D your looking at would have 3 out of 4 of the harps most needed for cross harp playing. In addition they would work in 3rd position for music in keys of B, D, and E respectively.
If you choose the set A, C and G, you would use them in 2nd position for music in the keys of E, G and D respectively ( note that key of D not as commonly played). In 3rd position these would match up with musical keys B, D and A.
From a matchup to commonly played keys then, the nod goes to the A,C,D set. From personal experience in jams I find D harp used much more than G. So if I were to only go with one harp, I'd suggest a D used in 2nd position with commonly used key of A and in 3rd position with commonly used key of E.
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SuperBee
3252 posts
Jan 18, 2016
5:30 PM
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Yes, but...
No I agree with the logic, but G is more useful than D as a multi-position harp.
The greater logic is that it's a waste of money wrapped up as a bargain.
Imho you'd do better to buy an Ab and spend the money you save on something which will win you respect and goodwill from the other interested party.
Hiding expenditure will always involve disharmony and loss of respect. Usually self-respect.
With an Ab you can play along with Kim on Lowdown and Stevie on Boogie On Reggae Woman (blow bends)
This will build your self-esteem and win the respect of others
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Killa_Hertz
293 posts
Jan 18, 2016
6:33 PM
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Sure ur right Bee.
Ive only got a Bb Manji. Thats practically the only harp ive played in two weeks. And ive gotten better for it.
Ab is a funny one. I'm not familiar With the Ab. It would also be a harp i don't yet have.
For a bullshit question you sure came up with a good answer Bee.
It was kinda wishful Thinkin anyways.
I think i may look into an Ab tho.
Why did you specifically recommend Ab?
BTW ... i wouldn't really have to hide it. I do wtf i want. It was ment to be funny.
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SuperBee
3254 posts
Jan 18, 2016
7:00 PM
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The Ab looked like the most useful key you don't already have.
In truth those keys you have cover the overwhelming majority of needs. But sometimes you strike something like those 2 I mentioned.
Also, this thing about key of Eflat...it's relatively common for guitarist to tune down to Eflat ala Hendrix and SRV...and then all those blues in E are in Eb, and the Ab is now your friend...so I think it's a useful axe to have in your kit. I'd carry an Ab before I got my E harp, and then B, Db and F#...
You know, I still don't have an F#. I have a few E harps, but I don't use them. Ab sees some use. I'm carrying it today because I started learning Lowdown
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Killa_Hertz
294 posts
Jan 18, 2016
8:49 PM
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Totally unrelated, but how would you describe your playing style?
Reason i ask is that Ive been focusing more on TB. And it's rather depressing actually. Lol. Feels a bit like starting over. I think I eventually want to blend the two (pucker and TB) in some fashion.
i thought if i were going to learn to blow bend it could be advantageous to do so TB. That way i wouldnt have to relearn anything. So i took a step back to learn single note TB better.
I noticed in that video you did that you TB quite a bit. Do you play TB always? Only for certain things?
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MindTheGap
997 posts
Jan 19, 2016
12:20 AM
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I think Ab makes a nice sound, I don't have one myself, but listening to records you can hear it. Although I'm repeating myself (no one else here worries about that :) IMO the difference between harp keys outweighs the difference between makes and models. It's one of the nice discoveries - not just changing key for practical reasons, you're getting a whole different sound and feel.
OK, so you buy one new harp, and the Harp Attack. Or do you really want a Harp Break? The next dilemma. Are you going to convince yourself that just because it's got a real live tube in it, it's going to be better than a well-designed transistor circuit?
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SuperBee
3255 posts
Jan 19, 2016
2:54 AM
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i'm pretty much full-time TB...no i am full-time. i don't actually TB hole 1 i guess, and if i get a harp thats determined to be tricky on 10" i will probably eventually lip it and sometimes i might try for a staccato thing with my tongue swinging free...but other than that i keep my tongue on the harp if there is not a chord being played. doesn't really matter which way you do it i think...but i TB all those bends and the 6 OB just because it seems easier to me. it didn't seem easier at first. but its really no big deal...i think people sometimes make TB harder than it needs to be. for me i think my tongue just sits 5mm or so forward of where it would otherwise
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SuperBee
3256 posts
Jan 19, 2016
3:01 AM
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oh yeah, in terms of nice to play harps, both the Ab and B are in the zone for me. i dont have a lo F# but maybe that would be ok too. ha, i played the solos in messin with the kid on a loF on Sunday...Jr wells used to use a regular F for that song, and i usually do too...but its a measure of progress that i could use a Lo F...or maybe the band was playing slow...i think thats true
but an Ab harp is right there between G and A and its a good harp to play just in its own right, apart from any considerations of usefulness...i do think its one of the most useful of the unpopular keys though. personally i rarely use an E for instance but i think many people have them
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Killa_Hertz
296 posts
Jan 19, 2016
6:15 AM
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Like i said, this was pretty much just a conversation starter as there were no other good threads goin in here.
But either way i think you have both convinced me to just stick with what i got for now. I'll never stop looking at New Toys tho.
But i do want to get something to were i can practice amplified at home, but with a breakup thats actually satisfying. I want low volume tube breakup. That's basically what im after. So that's where the harp attack came into play. I think it sounds nicer than the harp break. I guess for someone who plays out, the harp break may be more useful. With the boost and all. But idk. I'm just thinking out loud.
TB single notes are what im having trouble with. It's frustrating a bit because its like learning over again. Im not planning on playing TB all the time, but it's something i would like to be able to do well. I like the idea of how ronnie shellist plays. I'm going to give that a go once I can TB single notes efficiently.
Blow Bending TB is tough. Blow Bending puckered is wierd enough. Idk. Practice Practice Practice. Ill get it.
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