Andrew
152 posts
Mar 11, 2009
1:19 PM
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I would remind y'all that Chris opens his critique with
"I would have played it smoothly... In time, with good intonation, used the appropriate vibrato and played notes that were within the chords."
This is not "unfiltered" - it is simply journalism (and that is a very derogatory expression in my vocabulary). Christelle didn't play more than 2 notes that were outside of the harmonies.
Buddha reminds me of those restaurant critics who write "I'd have used the right seasoning and cooked the right ingredients at the right temperature for the right amount of time in the right way and served it the right way on the right crockery". They don't open restaurants of their own, you notice!
It was karaoke? My, and Christelle says explicitly that it was a vast improvement over the original intended for Peter Gabriel to remix as a single if only he had the musical taste to see it for what it was worth! Peter Gabriel IS NOT GOD!
Jeez, I thought this was the "Dirty South Blues Harp" forum. I didn't realise it was "the world's most refined sensitive and beautiful music" forum.
Just shut up and do it!
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Hollistonharper
41 posts
Mar 11, 2009
1:27 PM
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Ok, I have a proposal/request for Buddha and the Harpfriends chapter of the MBH forum. . I don't intend for this to be cynical, controversial or provocative, but here goes---
I think that, filter issues aside, Buddha has made really valuable contributions to this forum which I her much appreciate. He says he's just here to help so, at the risk of overreaching, let's ask Buddha to monitor our harpfriends channel with the idea that posters could ask for his raw unfiltered feedback and suggestions. We would set up a dedicated playlist so those who are faint of heart just wouldn't have to participate.
I want to be clear-I'm not asking to test Buddha's sincerity. It would just be a huge benefit. Frankly, most of us are at the advanced beginner/intermediate level and when we post and ask for advice, most of the time we don't get a lot of useful feedback--just the "sounds nice!" stuff that, while flattering, does help move us forward. (I know I haven't offered much more than that.) And that's one of the main reasons I think harpfriends was created.
A what do you say, harpfriends & Buddha? Feel free to say no, I know it's asking a lot.
Separately, Adam- we know you're on sabbatical writing your next book. Well I've got your next project all spec'd out: a joint venture with the Art Linkletter estate called "Harpers Say The Darndest Things," a collection of the most outrageous posts on the MBH forum. Underwritten, published and distributed by M. Hohner & Co free with every purchase of an 1896...what do you think!
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rustywater
37 posts
Mar 11, 2009
1:39 PM
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What an incredible thread, one of the best on here in a long time, in my opinion.
For what it's worth I thought I would put my 10 cents worth in with regards to the actual critisism,the way the critisism was delivered by Buddah and the way it was recieved.
In my humble opinion there are three types of music critic, the professional (as in musician, producer etc), the non professional (the rest of us) and journalists (forget them!!).
The professional musician listens and appreciates music in a way that us mere mortals will never really understand without changing to a perspective totally alien to us. After reading Chris's critique and changing perspective many contributers agreed with his comments.
My ex wife was a classically trained professional musician, so I also have first hand experience of this.
The professionals are looking purely from an artists point of view, with perfection, or as near to it as possible, in mind. That has to be their goal, they are proffesional.
The rest of us listen to music and can watch a musician and not have a clue as to whether they are technically good or not, most of the time we dont care, it's the sound we like, how it is achieved is almost imaterial.
Now on this forum there are people who, to varying degrees, want to learn what the proffesional knows to help improve their technique but who are not looking for the perfection the professional has to strive for. Because of that there has to be a difference in opinion between the two as to what is valid critisism.
In the past I have had the good fortune through my work to meet professional musicians, actors and sportsmen, some famous some not. The one thing that struck me about nearly all of them was that they could only really communicate effectively about their art form through that art form. The majority of us would say they were eccentric.
There were some that could not string three coherent words together full stop, and obviously Buddah is not in that catagory, but those people let their art do the talking.
Chris is a very talented individual who strives for perfection within his own sphere as a professional musician. His talents in communication are within his music and if we wish to learn anything from the man we must ignore the brash and sometimes rude exterior and change the perspective of how we listen to the music to understand his critisisms.
time for a beer or six
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Buddha
125 posts
Mar 11, 2009
1:51 PM
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Holliston,
I can't commit to such a project. I spend most of my time building harps or training dogs. Sometimes I have an off day where I'm sick of everything and decided to do nothing but to clean and organize my workshop.
Anybody who knows me, knows that I am always willing to help. There are several people on this list that I have given lessons to and they can all tell you that I can pin point an issue and give a solution in just a few minutes, so I am happy to stop by and give my 2 cents but I can't commit to anything or anyone unless it's a private session.
My mission has always been to help players become better musicians. A few years ago, I brought together many of the absolute best harmonica players from around the world to teach players and give concerts over the span of a week. There were a few hundred people who walked away as improved musicians.
I recommend that everyone of you make your way to SPAH in August. I run a table at the teach-in where I just sit there and tell you what you need to know to become a better player. I think there might be some people here on MBH who have experienced that. I ran the same thing at Rockin in the Rockies except I brought my band and made players play outside of their box.
Before you all think I just get negative on people, my method is to call out the very first thing that jumps out at me. Sometimes, it's noting the tremendous tone or phrasing and other times it's the harshness of tone or something else I feel is not up to snuff.
I worked with one player at about 4:30 this morning. He was told by a certain french harmonica player that his tone was thin and he needed to use his diaphram etc... that "teacher" was so off the mark. I listened and said nothing negative because there wasn't anything bad to say. All of the good points jump right out at me so that's what I commented on. As it turns out there wasn't an issues with acoustic tone, it was amp tone. Within a minute I was able to distill what the issue was and how to solve it. Problem solved.
I can do that for each of you but you have to be willing to take the good and the bad.
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mickil
61 posts
Mar 11, 2009
2:13 PM
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I've said my 'serious' bit on page 1, so no more deep philosophy from me here.
I used to be snooty about Internet forums, thinking they must be boring and sad. Boy, was I wrong!
This is a superb thread, full of insight and observation from people of all levels of skill.
If I had the guts to go back into a classroom and teach, I'd print this off use it as a basis for discussing aesthetics that would last a term, or 2, or 3...
Brilliant stuff!
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'If it sounds GOOD to you, it's bitchen; if it sounds BAD to YOU, it's shitty' - Frank Zappa
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Aussiesucker
179 posts
Mar 11, 2009
2:41 PM
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I thought that I had finished saying what I had to say. Thanks Adam for throwing additional meat into the mix.
If someone asks for an opinion on what they are playing or how they are playing, or whatever, then it should be an honest opinion or appraisal. There are lots of ifs and buts as to how it should be given as every individual is different but generally the truth is best.
Where I come unstuck is that Christelle herself did not ask. The posting was put up for members to look at and comment ie either like it or not. Having looked at the video I can agree its not the best. The thing is I and I suspect many of the members would like to be able to do as good.
What I cannot accept is the extraneous gratuitous remarks about her that were thrown in that I suspect were more personal feelings than fact.
And we are not all sheep looking to be led by someone because we are inferior. Sure we are not all good or great players like Adam and Chris and its learning from these great players and other members that help us improve. However, and its what I like most about this site, I can pick and choose what I want from it and not be forced into a mould.
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harmonicanick
176 posts
Mar 11, 2009
3:31 PM
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As the originator of ths extremely well debated thread by all of you good people; I only posted this because - her shirt is colour co-ordinated with her duvet on that bed!! have you clocked that??
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Aussiesucker
180 posts
Mar 11, 2009
3:40 PM
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No Harmonicanick didn't pick that. That sort of detail would normally be noticed by women and overlooked by men.
Are there any women contributing on the thread?
Good thread though.
Any other fires you want to light?
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harmonicanick
178 posts
Mar 11, 2009
3:44 PM
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yes i did cobber!! I have a female side to me as a well developed alpha/beta male harp fanatic
I have more contreversial threads for you in due course, no probs!!
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RyanMortos
95 posts
Mar 11, 2009
3:45 PM
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That's it! Ive decided, we need SPAH/Rockin' in the Rockies in Philly every year! Now where do I cast my vote?
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Aussiesucker
182 posts
Mar 11, 2009
10:45 PM
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Miles: take no notice but stick with the facts. Only Adam can draw the curtain on this topic.
At least I know I am not nutty as I am no great musician.
I think Chris is a good harp player that is concensus. Great musician - well he says so.
Wasn't it Cassius Clay who used to run around saying 'I am the greatest'. Strangely he changed his name to Mohammed Ali. He was the greatest too.
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DutchBones
84 posts
Mar 11, 2009
10:47 PM
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I was tempted several times to add my 2 yen to this thread, but every time I decided against it... I still don't think it's wise to comment, except for mentioning that the name of this thread is "It's quality not quantity with female harp players" , so I'm not sure if we're all on topic here. (players is plural to me)
And what about the MALE players (not talking about musicians here)
Anyway, to give this thread either a new direction or else scare
everybody away, I did "my own version" of -Here Comes the Flood-
The concept is "Less is More" and I'm making full use of my limited harmonica skills...
Here Comes the Flood by DutchBones
Chris, I think you're a great player and teacher, but there is more than one way to say the "truth" (whatever that is) You, as an ex med student above all should know that...
Christelle, if you read this, I hope you like it cause this one is for you
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DutchBones Tube
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Miles Dewar
222 posts
Mar 12, 2009
1:01 AM
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Just think about the impact of the statements we make.
If I made an "Educated Observation" and said "You have a small penis"..... You would probably be offended. Right?
Well, what the hell is Christelle thinking about "Low Self-esteem driven by Narcicism"?
Do you think back in her med school days. She used to work for a psychiatrist who specialized in personality disorders.....and because of this, she gets the light of the statement that you made? nope.....probably not. Huh?
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Aussiesucker
183 posts
Mar 12, 2009
2:14 AM
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In light of all the educated observations made by The worlds Greatest Bankers whom we all followed ie 'highly overpaid wankers' many worldwide are now suffering through huge money losses, job losses and some losing their homes.
Thank God harmonicas are still relatively cheap to buy and excellent instructional material provided by Adam doesn't cost a bomb.
Miles: I'm very much on the same page as you in thinking that a statement saying "low self esteem driven by narcism' cannot be levelled at anyone on a public forum and I guess the least qualified to do so would be(an assumption on my part) a failed Med student! I think even the most qualified psychiatrist would be careful not to diagnose such an airy fairy disorder on viewing Youtube videos.
I also think only a very pompous individual full of their own percieved self importance would try and bring the curtain down on you when they know the blow torch is starting to hurt.
Truth is always going to hurt no matter which way you tell it. But, there is absolutely no room for anyone to be airing personal observations even if they like to think they are the expert.
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Andrew
157 posts
Mar 12, 2009
2:42 AM
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It's interesting isn't it.
I wasn't an "educated observation". It might have been an educated opinion, but of course really it looked like an unqualified diagnosis.
And it committed the fallacy of assuming that a person's private life mirrors their internet persona, i.e., that in private Christelle refuses to learn from what she deletes from her public space.
That doesn't follow, although you might insist the good money is on it.
Buddha is also unable to imagine that other people might simply have feelings that can be hurt. I'm not medically qualified either, so I won't diagnose that Buddha has an Autistic Spectrum Disorder.
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harmonicanick
179 posts
Mar 12, 2009
3:35 AM
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I thought I would post a profile of Christelle, written by herself, and copied from Harmonica Space.com where she is one of my 'friends':-
I was born in Chateauroux a lovely but boring city, in the center of France
I have begun playing music at the age of 4 years old with the recorder, playing on everything on the radio (even pop songs). I did my first gig with the french folk band Malicorne.
At the age of 14 years old, I wish to extend my exploration of the Music and I entered at a classical music school as a oboe player. 6 years after I passed the exams for the National schools of Paris and Lyon.
This is in my late 24 that I’ve bought my first harmonica, completely hazardously. Almost straight away, I fell in love with this instrument who entertained myself from 4 years of hard oboe playing. A few months later, Jean-Jacques Milteau played in my town, and I’ve gone at his gig with my only harp in my pocket. I’ve to admit it, but I was a bit tipsy! At some stage, I’ve asked to play with him on stage, and ever since the end of the song I’ve been conscious of my mystake and having been so ridiculous in front of this master. I’ve apologized to him, and surprisingly this great man, made a proposition to give me some tips in Paris.
And it was the beginning of my passion for this instrument, but in the same time, feeling strange about this ridiculous piece of wood.
I've stopped playing any kind of music for more than 11 years, because I was conviced by life (paying the rent of our flat, and many other stuff to pay) that I couldn't play. I'm saying that because many of harmonica player think that I'm a long term harmonica player which is not true I'M A BEGINNER since I'm back to the harmonica for only 2 years now.
Interesting huh? She is a qualified, classically, trained musician.......
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Buddha
130 posts
Mar 12, 2009
6:33 AM
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have any of you ever actually had a personal dialogue with Christelle? I have.
btw- I quit medicine to play music. My whole family is in medicine and I was always the odd ball. Having science pounded into my naturally creative brain has given me some pretty big advantages as well as big disadvantages.
My point about talking about her disorders is... she doesn't give a shit about you guys. Talk to anyone who has had a few private conversations with her. She only wants to hear positive stuff about her playing. She posts videos simply for accolades to maker HERSELF feel better, to make herself feel important. Yes, she a very good player but it's via the negative opinions that a student fight through to achieve greatness.
On the subject of feelings... IF a person feels hurt by another person's opinion THAT person has issues not the person who gave it. Feeling hurt means there is truth behind a statement that negatively resonates within your whole body.
Miles has issued quite a few personal attacks on me for no real reason. Does it hurt me? NO. Why? because I know the truth in his accusation of a "small penis" or have accepted reality in the case of "too many krispy kremes".
Assuming a person like Miles is thin, calling him thin should be no big deal, it's an observation. However, he COULD take it as an insult if he had some sort of of disorder and being thin is a personal issue. My remarking about it is simply a remark or observation, whether or not he feels hurt by it has to do with his personal dialogue.
re: educated observations.
Why is it, if a person says... "Wow that's a smart person" everybody is ok with that? But if another person points out.. "that person has some serious esteem issues" suddenly people say "Oh come on! How can you know that?" Well the same way one can tell another person is smart.
Do you guys even understand why Christelle is a better player than most of you? Because she's a fighter. She has personal issues and disorders that she constantly fights so she escapes through music. She's hypersensitive and highly intelligent, that allows her to dial into music at levels many can't. I think it's great that she's so emotional and it shows through in her playing because it keep her music from being stale.
There is a fine balance that needs to be achieved if you want to operate in "normal" folks, however, that same fine balance doesn't work if you want to be an artist. If you want to be good at something then you need to be and usually are a complete whack job at other things. In music and other arts, crazy is good. I'm proud to be a nut.
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harmonicanick
180 posts
Mar 12, 2009
7:00 AM
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Well said Chris
I am married to a French woman and am bi-lingual and you are right, she's a fighter as is my wife!!
Oh and she dosent like the sound the Harmonica makes and she tell's me the truth always!
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Buzadero
42 posts
Mar 12, 2009
7:38 AM
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As a non-sequitizer myself, I am married to a crazy woman with multiple disorders stemming from being half Mexican and half Navajo. She is a fighter and would cut off my small penis for any number of reasons.
As a form of cruel mental abuse, she had a flute made by one of her peeps and gave it to me on my 40th birthday. Here it is 10 years later, and I am still tortured by my complete lack of competence on the damned thing. It may be defective, since it produces no sound on the draws.
Now, back to your normal narcicistic banter. Me and my low self-esteem driven by whatever nueroses du jour, will be right over here......lurking.
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~Buzadero
Underwater Janitor, Patriot
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kudzurunner
304 posts
Mar 12, 2009
9:10 AM
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I'm not going to lock this thread, but I will say: Buzadero, your post rounds off this wild discussion quite nicely.
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Buzadero
43 posts
Mar 12, 2009
10:23 AM
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I believe it was the great 21st century philosopher, A Gussow who once quoted Big Walter Horton as saying, "Have a good time".
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~Buzadero
Underwater Janitor, Patriot
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RyanMortos
98 posts
Mar 12, 2009
10:29 AM
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"...I did "my own version" of -Here Comes the Flood-
The concept is "Less is More"..." (Dutchbones).
I very much liked your playing Dutchbones. Now I can hear two different ways to approach this piece, thanks for sharing.
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~Ryan
PA
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Gray
54 posts
Mar 12, 2009
12:09 PM
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Note-09:18 Nikola Tesla,The missing secrets (part 3 of 4)
I am/we are 'HAARP RESEARCH STATIONS'transmitting as a reed on the plate of life.Some will be in tune,some will be skweeky and some will be able to pop out but all will help towards creating a safe resonant cavity for humans to live freely.
One thing I think should be added to this is that as small as it may be,you tube or internet transmissions are performances,if I was performing at a gig and someone,what ever way,transmitted to me there non positive vibes without me asking them, I would use my HAARP RESEARCH capabilities to remove them from the venue.
P.s I feel Yoshi Gussow must be called upon
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Gray
55 posts
Mar 12, 2009
12:33 PM
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Sorry,I didnt realize that there was another page to this thread when I wrote my bit.
Man I wish my harp would hit 8 hertz.
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Miles Dewar
224 posts
Mar 12, 2009
1:20 PM
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Well said Chris. I understand what you are saying. And I apologize for the Attacks on you....I just got a little heated and a whole lot of "Carried Away".
Buzdero- Nicely said. "Now, back to your normal narcicistic banter".....and I don't think, and i hope we are not going back there...
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Aussiesucker
184 posts
Mar 12, 2009
2:13 PM
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Sorry Chris! I also apologise for anything said that was an unqualified observation or personal. My contribution was to point out that some things said were unfair,unnecessary, derogatory,inflammatory and untrue in the eyes and minds of others. I'm sorry for stooping so low and using the same sort of 'ammo' in some of my responses.
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bdr
18 posts
Mar 12, 2009
3:04 PM
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I've lost track... is it ok to be blunt or not?
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Preston
189 posts
Mar 12, 2009
3:09 PM
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I've lost track too...how about we all meet somewhere and do whiskey shots and call it even?
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Miles Dewar
227 posts
Mar 12, 2009
3:12 PM
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Now thats funny- bdr
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Buddha
135 posts
Mar 12, 2009
3:44 PM
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thank you for you apologies, they were not needed but appreciated.
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KeithE
4 posts
Mar 12, 2009
3:46 PM
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"On the subject of feelings... IF a person feels hurt by another person's opinion THAT person has issues not the person who gave it. Feeling hurt means there is truth behind a statement that negatively resonates within your whole body."
I think that you have to be careful here - otherwise couldn't you be condoning sociopathic behavior? What exactly do you mean by an opinion? Take it to an extreme - what do you think about racist statements couched as "opinions"?
I do think that this is a good thing to keep in mind for the recipient of an opinion though - given that the above is a quote from "Buddha" it could be used like 8 verses for training the mind.
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bdr
19 posts
Mar 12, 2009
3:58 PM
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I could be pushing my luck here but I just can't hold it in anymore, I went to a peter gabriel gig about 2 years ago and he was sh*t.
excellent suggestion Preston I'm having one right now just for you!
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Buddha
137 posts
Mar 12, 2009
3:59 PM
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KeithE, we all create our own realities. If YOU feel the need to use vulgar language and racist remarks then do it. You will be treated accordingly by your manifestations.
Racism doesn't exist to me.
I live very much in the moment and in my current moment there is only me, a pile of half worked harps and a Rottweiler. For all I know, the house is flooding but I won't know until I arrive to THAT moment. Worrying about what was or will be is a waste of energy, neither of those points exist.
Living life is like playing music. If you're constantly worrying about the previous gig or next song, you won't be part of the song you're currently playing.
Just play music. Get connected.
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mickil
71 posts
Mar 12, 2009
4:24 PM
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Buddha, I agree with what you're saying. Years ago, a few women said unkind things to me - in quite close succession - about my diminuitive stature; the sort of thing that it's not acceptable for a man to say to a woman.
It really bl**dy hurt and knocked my confidence for six. It questioned my perception of myself as measured against those around me.
Now, I'm older, I don't give a toss about that kind of shallowness. I even like myself for the most part.
I'm not saying that you were being cruel; you've argued your view convincingly, eloquently and at some length. But - that's a big word - I do still feel that there may often be quite a lot of room for measuring how you, or 'one' delivers criticism.
It's not always easy to know whether or not someone is yet up to your views: whether it will strengthen them as a person, or crush them.
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'If it sounds GOOD to you, it's bitchen; if it sounds BAD to YOU, it's shitty' - Frank Zappa
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Buddha
138 posts
Mar 12, 2009
4:44 PM
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Micklil,
I understand what you are saying about my delivery. Me talking to anybody at all is a big stretch for me. I used to not engage anybody.
"It's not always easy to know whether or not someone is yet up to your views: whether it will strengthen them as a person, or crush them."
We are all teachers and student whether or not we want to be. I don't know how a person takes anything, and as long as my intent is from love then what I say is good. How they take it and be strengthened or crushed by it is THEIR lesson. Their reaction could be a lesson for me.
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Hollistonharper
42 posts
Mar 12, 2009
4:58 PM
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Kumbaya everybody!! This thread was so much more fun while we we were dissing each other. In the spirit of da blues, we either get vicious or can the post and head off to our transcendental meditation retreat. So I want to contribute the song for the closing credits...well at least here's the real lyrics to Sonny Boy Williamson's Help Me--
You got to help me
I can't do it all by myself
You got to help me Buddha
I can't do it all by myself
If you won't help me Buddha
I'll have to find myself Christelle
I want to learn scales
And arpeggios
I want to do blowbends
And overblows
You got to help me Buddha
I can't do it all by myself
If you won't help me Buddha
I will find myself christelle
It's best to be blunt
Cold hard truth's the only way
I'll blindly accept everything you say
(you are after all an INFJ)
if you will just help me Buddha
I won't like Christelle
Somebody buy me a shot and I'll post my harp performance...
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Buzadero
44 posts
Mar 12, 2009
6:40 PM
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Why....as luck would have it, I am currently engaged in a glass of Kentucky's finest as I check back on this merry tribe of recalcitrant misanthropes. Here's to you, Hollistonharper. Saludos.
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~Buzadero
Underwater Janitor, Patriot
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harpnoodler
53 posts
Mar 12, 2009
7:33 PM
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"knocked my confidence for six"
Sorry about the context mickil, but I love the expression. Not many would pick it up here on the North American continent. Reminds me of the OLD glory days as a leg-break/googly bowler.
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Miles Dewar
229 posts
Mar 12, 2009
7:33 PM
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You like those two words don't you Buzadero....... I like that Jack D. you have...fine choice
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Buzadero
45 posts
Mar 12, 2009
8:56 PM
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Well...if the foo shits. Could be worse. I could've admitted to Northern California's finest......
Livin' la vida stupida.
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~Buzadero
Underwater Janitor, Patriot
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oldwailer
564 posts
Mar 12, 2009
10:56 PM
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"Living life is like playing music. If you're constantly worrying about the previous gig or next song, you won't be part of the song you're currently playing.
Just play music. Get connected. " --Buddha
Wow! Now you gotta admit--that is profound!
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Andrew
162 posts
Mar 12, 2009
11:08 PM
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Anyone else got any quotes from the Ching of Eeyore they'd like to share with us?
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Aussiesucker
187 posts
Mar 12, 2009
11:31 PM
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99 not out!
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XHarp
14 posts
Mar 13, 2009
6:30 AM
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WOW, All I did was ask a simple question on how Chris would play his verison and after reading through this thread I can't believe the spinoff. Quite the gambit of topics and opinions covered here. Someone once told me that opinions were merely two letters sharper then onions but both could bring you to tears if cut the wrong way.
And for what its worth, I still like Christelle's version for all its content and I still like listening to Budda's stuff too. Both have their own signature tone and attack which contribute their interpretations of whatever they are playing.
And I offer my signature as a good quote although its not from the 'Ching of Eeyore'.
Now, let's get away from this stuff and back on to playing the Harmoinca.
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"Keep it in your mouth" - XHarp
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Philosofy
159 posts
Mar 13, 2009
1:55 PM
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I heard a great interview with Paul Stanley, lead singer of KISS. He said Emerson, Lake and Palmer were superior musicians in every way to KISS. But they didn't ROCK!
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gene
173 posts
Apr 23, 2009
3:35 PM
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I saw Artie Shaw on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson. He made a comment that makes a lot of sense and it applies here:
"There are two kinds of music: good music, and bad music. If you like it, it's good music. If you don't like it, it's bad music."
With that in mind, I believe Christelle plays good music, including the video referenced in this thread. Her playing is always full of emotion. (Dynamics, vibrato, etc.)
Buddha, you defend your harsh way of offering criticisms by saying that you are simply stating facts. In some cases that is correct (though it should be done more tactfully, IMO), but in other cases, (such as your comments about her playing not flowing with the music) your comments lean more toward subjectivity, therefore rendering your comments to be opinion. (Refer to Artie Shaw's comment. He, too, was a musician.)
BTW: Here's a copy/paste from the comments section from Christelle's latest video on You Tube.
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OMG! This is so good my Christele it is the alomost the perfect playing and it touches me in my souls. I saw what the buddah said and you don't worry your the very best and bester than him. you have the passion
and not vomits!!!
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christellester (6 hours ago) Show Hide Marked as spam Reply Too late Harpnut I've wrote to Adam saying that I'll never come back to his forum because of this asshole.
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On one hand, I feel I should point out the importance of tact.
On the other hand, from what I've seen before, I know that Christelle cannot tolerate even the slightest hint of negative criticism.
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Buddha
297 posts
Apr 23, 2009
4:05 PM
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you guys are confusing something and that is, I am not your peer. I am a teacher. My goal is to help other harmonica players be better musicians. This has ALWAYS been my goal to the point that I organized the greatest harmonica festival to date. It was the festival that set the bar everything else and NOTHING has come close to matching it's intensity. It was all centered around teaching, learing and hanging around the best harmonica players for all over the world for one week. 8 hours of teaching and then four concerts every night for a week.
There is no learning in hearing that you are great all the time. There is no teaching in telling somebody on positive things. It's akin to the "no pain, no gain" method.
We live in a world where there are few good harmonica players and even feweer good harmonica players that are also good musician and fewer still harmonica players that are good musicians who are good teachers.
I am in the last category.
When I was learning, there was nobody to learn from. Even today there are few good players to learn from. And on this board there are TWO world class players at your disposal and most of you work to push one of them away. If you ask me, that's insane if you really want to learn to play at a high level.
For the record, I actually like Christelle's playing, for somebody who has been playing for two years, she has extraordinary control, tone and musicality. I like that I usually see notable improvement every time I watch one of her vids. Thats good!!!
I don't care what her issues are with me, I've asked her several times to forget about it and move forward in a positive fashion and yet, I still take the time to help her in my way because to me, that's moving forward in a positive fashion.
All of the issues we have stem from her not accepting criticism from me. That's too bad.
Anyway, I still work to help her and anyone else because that's what I do.
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whalebonefarmhouse
1 post
Apr 23, 2009
4:20 PM
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what a load of tripe mix - there's nothing worse than snobby musicians - i am sure she sounded great she doesnt sound as good now F'ing & Blinding on You Tube.
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whalebonefarmhouse
2 posts
Apr 23, 2009
4:28 PM
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There is nothing like blowin your own trumpet - I mean Harp
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chromaticblues
20 posts
Apr 24, 2009
7:10 AM
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Budda you are confused!! I read this forum and I can play the harmonica quit well thank you! Don't assume you are all great! I hope we meet on stage some day!! I will remind you of your peer commit! Why is it so hard for you to be a decent person? You have stated that you are. Yet you continue to prove otherwise. I know this cybercrap is nothing like the reel world, but if this is how you in the real word then that's to bad. Because your a real good harp player, but your not the one! Remember that!!
Last Edited by on Apr 24, 2009 7:11 AM
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