vicar88
5 posts
Jan 24, 2010
4:03 AM
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I jammed yesterday with a friend who plays along on his guitar to tracks on youtube via his iphone. Trouble is, his tracks are nearly all in minor keys and I'm used to playing in cross harp. Some of my notes from the blues scale were ok but others were miles off. What do I need to play in to match his chords please?
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saregapadanisa
77 posts
Jan 24, 2010
6:31 AM
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Try 3rd position. It's a natural minor scale. You'll play minor without even thinking about it.
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GamblersHand
136 posts
Jan 24, 2010
6:32 AM
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For cross harp in a minor key, you just need to make sure that you play the 3 draw bent, usually just a semitone down (the minor third note), although a full tone down (the second) will work as well.
If you play the 3 hole draw unbent (or just sharp of the minor third, if you were playing the Blue Note) it will really clash. intonation is key.
If you're going up the harp, then avoid the 7 hole draw as this is the same note as the 3 draw - and can't be bent of course to get the minor third
As an aside, there really is a case for tuning that 7 draw down a half-step.
There's no reason, though, not to start trying out 3rd position - I found it fairly easy to get the basics down, but then I only have a few basic riffs. For third, use the 4 draw as your base, and then you can play anything up to the 8 draw *except* that 7 draw again.
i find that third seems to work best amplified, using plenty of octaves and split chords. I haven't heard many people play it acoustically - maybe because it doesn't lend itself to partial chords as much, more single note melodies.
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jawbone
233 posts
Jan 24, 2010
6:44 AM
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One more vote for 3rd position - once you get started it won't take long. Your ears will tell you what fits.
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If it ain't got harp - it ain't really blues!!!!
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barbequebob
377 posts
Jan 24, 2010
6:51 AM
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Well unfortunately for you, you unknowingly became a textbook case of why the average player`s belief of going around in so called "blissful ignorance" of not bothering to learn where each and EVERY note available on the instrument (that includes knowing ALL bent, unbent, and overblow/overdraw notes), all positions on the harp, and very basic music theory, and when they play with other people, this ALWAYS comes back to haunt them like the way a high powered offense on an NFL team will quickly expose any and all weaknesses on the defense of it`s opponent. Now this may sound condescending to some, but I assure you it is not, as this is a truth many average players often don`t want to hear or face up to. Personally, I would`ve used 3rd position (example: key of C harp played in Dm) as in terms of correct notes and the I chord. If you use 2nd position, you need get the correct bends for the correct notes absolutely SPOT ON ACCURATE in both intonation and articulation FIRST. You could use a harp tuned minor, BUT that also requires a whole other VERY necessary learning curve. To sum it up, you really need to take some VERY serious woodshedding time to really learn exactly where you are 24/7, positions, and a bit of basic theory to avoid going thru this and it`ll give you a gigantic leg up on the average player.
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Boston, MA
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GermanHarpist
1050 posts
Jan 24, 2010
8:29 AM
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bbqBob, so how do you play minor blues? What are the tabs? Anybody?
I'm also kinda in the dark with all of this and I have gone through 5 years of music school...
Btw. bbqBob, I know it's absolutely harp-unrealted, but I can't resist... Would you mind using " ' " instead of " ` ".
It may not seem like a biggie to you, but for me it's in the same category as pressing 'caps lock' each time you want to write a capital letter... twice (i.e. the pinnicle of IT-noobness ;).
Every time I see ` instead of ', it makes me cringe like it probably makes you cringe seeing a harp noob wailing the 4 hole to reed heaven.
It should be just left of the 'Enter'-key and you have to press it in combination with the 'upper shift'-key.
Thanks :)
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germanharpist on YT. =;-) - Resonance is KEY!
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saregapadanisa
78 posts
Jan 24, 2010
8:40 AM
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Hi, `GH`. How are you doin` ?
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GermanHarpist
1052 posts
Jan 24, 2010
8:44 AM
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AARRRRGGGHHHHH
EDIT: no, really..., could you delete that post. I had to go and get that template for my teeth against the grinding... before continuing this post. ... it hurts my brain... my eyes... can't @§&/ß
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a href="http://www.youtube.com/germanharpist">germanharpist on YT. =;-) - Resonance is KEY!
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Fredrider51
110 posts
Jan 24, 2010
8:59 AM
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3rd pos dm 4d 5d 6b 6dbent 6d 7b 8d then down that is the scale and you the same scale in the lower end.Hope this helps
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HARP (Harmonica Assn 'Round Philly)
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GermanHarpist
1055 posts
Jan 24, 2010
9:01 AM
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" 4d 5d 6b 6dbent 6d 7b 8d " That's the standard blues scale... why is that supposed to be minor?
...still wearing the braces against grinding...
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germanharpist on YT. =;-) - Resonance is KEY!
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saregapadanisa
79 posts
Jan 24, 2010
9:04 AM
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GH, I considered checking Youtube to find some Mars Attacks cut, but am too lazy. Anyway, you've probably seen the movie, the part when the aliens have their brains exploding in green goo.
You're next.
(sorry, I mean : you`re next)
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saregapadanisa
81 posts
Jan 24, 2010
9:18 AM
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There is one an half step beetween 4d and 5d. That's your flat third. And it sounds better still with a slight bend on the 5d.
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hvyj
97 posts
Jan 24, 2010
9:47 AM
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The natural minor scale has a flat 3d, flat 6th and flat 7th.
Third Position is NOT the natural minor scale. It's the dorian minor scale (major 6th). Fourth Position is the natural minor scale (flat 6th), but it's hard to get blues phrasing in Fourth.
Solution? Fifth Position has the natural minor scale BUT also has a flat 2d (draw 5 & draw 9) which is usually an avoid note. So, play Fifth and avoid draw 5 & draw 9 and you've got a bluesy sounding natural minor.
Third is fine for dorian minors that have a major 6th. BUT if you are using Third to play natural minor you must avoid playing the major 6th which is blow 7 and draw 3 (or bend draw 3 an accurate half step every time). If you don't, it will sound TERRIBLE.
Fifth Position is pretty easy to play and it's a lot like Second. The breath pattern for the minor pentatonic scale in Fifth is the same as the breath pattern for the major pentatonic in Second, just start on a different note. You can also play though all 3 registers with no difficulty in Fifth.
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nacoran
863 posts
Jan 24, 2010
10:22 AM
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BBQ- Vicar is asking questions. That's how you learn. If you find yourself saying, "Now this may sound condescending to some, but I assure you it is not," it sounds like maybe you could scrap the sentence and start from a different point of view. I appreciate your expertise, I really do, but remember not everyone on the forum has your years of experience, and well, you've seemed a little grumpy the last few days.
:) Hope everything is well.
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hvyj
99 posts
Jan 24, 2010
10:52 AM
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Tab for blues scale in Fifth Position, lower register:
2B 2D/3B 3D** 3D* 3D 4D 5B
Tab for minor pentatonic scale is the same as above, just omit 3D*
Tab for natural minor scale in Fifth Position, lower register:
2B 2D* 2D/3B 3D** 3D 4B 4D 5B
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tookatooka
1055 posts
Jan 24, 2010
11:14 AM
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At the risk of looking a right Charlie, can someone please condescend and explain something to me?
@fredrider said "3rd pos dm 4d 5d 6b 6dbent 6d 7b 8d"
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@saregapadanisa said "There is one an half step beetween 4d and 5d. That's your flat third".
Right, so if 4d is the first note in the scale and 5d is the second note in the scale, why on earth is it referred to as the flat 3rd, shouldn't it be the flat 2nd?
I'm sorry if this is too simplistic, but I only have a tiny smattering of music theory and always found this weird. And I bet I'm not the only one.
If you know where I can get this answered, please point me in the right direction because I am keen to learn.
Many thanks.
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phogi
205 posts
Jan 24, 2010
12:04 PM
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@toots
The reason is this: Number-names for notes are in reference to the major scale, not the blues or minor pentatonic scale. Lets look at D major as an example. D major is made of the following notes:
D Major Scale: D,E,F#,G,A,B,C#,D
D minor pentatonic D, ,F, G,A, , C,D
Notice that the3rd note of the major scale is F# (f sharp). The f, in the minor pentatonic, is F (f natural). Since F is a half step below F#, and a flat lowers a note by a half step, we call F (if we are thinking in D) a flat 3.
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GamblersHand
137 posts
Jan 24, 2010
12:05 PM
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Tookatooka
Actually the 5 draw is the third (or flat-third) of the minor scale
The second is the 5 blow, which works well in 3rd position if not as naturally bluesy.
One way to think of it is the Am scale A B C D E (F) G on a G harp
4d 5b 5d 6b 6d (6ob) 7b
GermanHarpist - I think hjyj pretty much answered your question, but also that cross harp/"major" blues has a more ambiguous blue third, not quite a full semi-tone down
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saregapadanisa
82 posts
Jan 24, 2010
12:07 PM
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@tooka, when speaking chords (or intervals from the tonic in that case), you always refer to the major scale, i.e. to a scale of 7 notes, and you don't use that much to play basic blues scale.
In 3rd position, the second would be 5b, but the "second" note you play is the next one, hence Third.
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tookatooka
1056 posts
Jan 24, 2010
12:14 PM
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AH! that explains it nicely, thank you so much. I'm trying to get my head around all this but being a self learner I often go down the wrong track and learn things which aren't really useful. That was just what I needed, thanks.
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hvyj
100 posts
Jan 24, 2010
12:19 PM
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When playing blues in a minor key you MUST play a true minor third, not a "blue third."
In third position, D5 and D9 provide a true minor third without having to bend. In fifth position, D2/B3, B6 and B9 provide a true minor third without having to bend AND B1, B4, B7,and B10 provide a true minor sixth without having to bend, AND D2, D4 and D8 give you the flat seventh without having to bend. So, in fifth it's really easy to play the whole harp, as the notes you need are available in all 3 registers.
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HarmonicaMick
40 posts
Jan 24, 2010
12:27 PM
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The use of paragraphs makes it a lot easier for me to read and take in longish posts. even without proper capitalisation and punctuation and all the other things that help to go into making the written word more intelligable i think that most would agree with that is that right?
Yeah, 3rd position, or 2nd with huge amounts of practice on the 3 draw bends. As mentioned above, your ear will help to eliminate notes that don't work.
BTW, I virtually never read long posts written in one para. My little brain can't handle it so well.
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phogi
206 posts
Jan 24, 2010
12:37 PM
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c'mon mick.
Ever hear a blues song with proper grammar?
Let's not devolve into bickering.
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HarmonicaMick
41 posts
Jan 24, 2010
1:12 PM
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Sorry, phogi. I am feeling a little beligerent at the moment. Still, I, myself wouldn't compare the grammar in a blues with an attempt at making the written word intelligable; that's not comparing like with like. I'll say no more.
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sorin
127 posts
Jan 24, 2010
1:43 PM
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I wish people would stop talking about positions being minor or major , you can play in 3rd position minor or major , however you like.
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Tony Dismukes
1 post
Jan 25, 2010
12:15 PM
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Can anyone recommend any instructional materials (books or videos) for playing the harp in minor keys?
It seems like 95%+ of the info I've found is based around playing a 12-bar blues. I love a good 12-bar blues, but most of what I and my friends play doesn't fall into that format.
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GamblersHand
141 posts
Jan 25, 2010
12:37 PM
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Tony - David Barrett has a book just about 3rd position playing, mainly focused on minor and minor blues scales.
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hvyj
103 posts
Jan 25, 2010
1:10 PM
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The problem is that just about all of the instructional materials tell you to use Third Position for minors. Third position is fine for dorian minors which have a major sixth. But for natural minors which have a flat sixth, Third has significant limitations, and, IMHO, one is better off playing in Fourth or Fifth Position for natural minors. I don't know of any instructional materials that discuss Fourth or Fifth in great detail.
Last Edited by on Jan 25, 2010 1:11 PM
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jawbone
240 posts
Jan 25, 2010
1:16 PM
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I'm hoping we hear from Vicar88 again to see how he is coming along.
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If it ain't got harp - it ain't really blues!!!!
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Tony Dismukes
2 posts
Jan 26, 2010
2:28 PM
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GamblersHand - Do you have David Barrett's Exploring 3rd Position book? Does he actually talk about songs in minor keys? I'm looking at the table of contents via Amazon's Look Inside feature, and I'm only seeing mention of the standard 12-bar blues structure.
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Ryan
80 posts
Jan 26, 2010
3:50 PM
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GH:" 4d 5d 6b 6dbent 6d 7b 8d - That's the standard blues scale... why is that supposed to be minor?"
The blues scale is a minor scale(it's got the minor 3rd and the minor 7th). It works well over major keyed blues because you can play minor over major (but you can't play major over minor) The flat 3rd will work (and sound bluesy) over the major 3rd in the chord, and since you ussually play dominant 7 chords in blues, the minor seventh matches the chord.
As for playing 2nd position in a minor key, you can definately do it and make it sound good. GermanHarpist explained what you need to do (always make sure you bend the 3draw down a half step & avoid the 7 draw). The only other thing is you may want to avoid the 2blow & 5blow (also 8blow). This the major 6th, and it does have a major sound to it. But this doesn't mean you can't use it in a minor key (the major 6th is part of dorian scale, which is a minor scale), you just have use it in the right context. You don't want to rely on it too heavily on it or it will sound too major.
If you can do overblows you can use the 4OB (the minor 6th) and the 6OB (the minor 3rd). The 4OB will allow you to play the natural minor scale in 2nd position.
Jason Ricci plays minor in 2nd position quite a bit and it sounds really good. He's very good at hitting the half step bend on 3draw perfectly at fast speeds, which is the main hurdle of playing minor in 2nd position.
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GamblersHand
146 posts
Jan 26, 2010
4:00 PM
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hvyj - true, though I generally avoid the 7 draw and 3 draw. As I don't overblow I've been thinking to retune the 7 draw of a few harps for 3rd position - wouldn't be a bad thing for 2nd postion as well even if not the true "blue note".
Tony - I don't have it, though flicked through it once at a store. It was focussed exclusively on blues, though I can't remember if it specifically covered minor key blues rather than playing 3rd in major key blues tunes - then again, there's not much difference between the 3rd minor & 3rd blues except bending the 6 draw, isn't there?
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hvyj
104 posts
Jan 26, 2010
6:54 PM
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While the bent 6 draw (flat fifth) is part of the blues scale and not part of the minor scale, there's usually not a problem playing the flat fifth when improvising in a minor key. But it depends on the tune.
Tuning the draw 7 down a half step is cool, and it would still allow you to get the original draw 7 note as a blow bend on the 7 blow if the 7 draw is tuned down.
Btw, what's also pretty cool when playing blues (or other styles)in Second Position is to play mixolydian on the high end (major 3, flat 7, no bends). It's an underused approach but sounds pretty good, keeping in mind that one CAN use a major third playing blues--it just depends on when, where, and how you do it. Of course, that won't work if you are in a minor key.
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Jim Rumbaugh
136 posts
Jan 26, 2010
7:18 PM
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Here's another vote for 5th position pentatonic minor scale. It's been my lesson of the month.
1)you start lower on the harp
2)you can have over 2 octaves of easy notes.
3)just remember it is a 5 note not 6 or 7 note scale
hvyj posted the 5 note pentatonic notes above, as well as a blues version of 5th position.
C harp = E minor
F harp = A minor
BONUS: Here's the other tip I just learned. Once you get the minor pentatonic scale down, you have also taught yourself the major pentatonic scale. I'll talk about that on another thread. It's opening new doors for me
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hvyj
105 posts
Jan 26, 2010
10:50 PM
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Yep--that's the easiest way to learn to play in different positions. Learn the common breath patterns for the pentatonic scales. Some people think that multiple position playing is something very advanced. It's not. In fact, it's relatively easy. I've posted on this before.
Here's how it goes:
The breath pattern for the major pentatonic scale in SECOND position is the same as the minor pentatonic scale in FIFTH position. Same notes, same breath pattern, different starting point.
The breath pattern for the major pentatonic scale in FIRST position is the same as the minor pentatonic scale in FOURTH position. Same notes, same breath pattern, different starting point.
The breath pattern for the minor pentatonic scale in THIRD position is the same as the major pentatonic scale in TWELFTH position. Same notes, same breath pattern, different starting point.
So, if you learn these pentatonic breath patterns in First and Second and Third positions you can automatically play in Fourth, Fifth and Twelfth positions, too. It's not any harder. You just start on a different note for root. (You will need to learn the minor pentatonic scale/blues scale for second position separately, but that's something most players learn first anyway. Btw, that's the same breath pattern as is used for the major pentatonic scale in 11th position)
I don't know why there are no instructional materials that explain these relationships.
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congaron
470 posts
Jan 27, 2010
10:33 AM
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I like to play minor blues in the harp that the music is relative minor to. C harp for A blues, G harp for E blues, etc...whatever key the music would be the 6th of (not up on my positions enough to figure that out without the circle of 5ths in front of me.) I also like 3rd position, but just tried 5th position because of this thread..I like that too. I'm sitting here with three harps in front of me and actually prefer the C harp for A blues..but that may be because i like to play chords quite a bit on the lower 4 holes for rhythm in my solos, as well as blow bends and trills on the upper octave.
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congaron
471 posts
Jan 27, 2010
10:43 AM
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okay, it's 4th position..I prefer 4th position....lol.
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sorin
129 posts
Jan 27, 2010
10:46 AM
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congaron ,when you play Am on C harp that is 4th position .
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congaron
472 posts
Jan 27, 2010
11:00 AM
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"The use of paragraphs makes it a lot easier for me to read and take in longish posts. even without proper capitalisation and punctuation and all the other things that help to go into making the written word more intelligable i think that most would agree with that is that right?"
I'm sure you don't want me to put my red proofreader's pen to this...
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isaacullah
619 posts
Jan 27, 2010
11:25 AM
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sorin said "I wish people would stop talking about positions being minor or major , you can play in 3rd position minor or major , however you like. "
I agree that we ought not to start calling certain positions major or minor positions. But, as the Buddha sayeth (and I'm paraphrasing him here) "Just because you can play any scale in any key on a diatonic harmonica, that does not mean that you should do so".
It is a fact that, due to the quixotic layout of our particular instrument, certain positions lend themselves better to certain scales than do other positions. So while I agree that it is incorrect to talk about (for example) 3rd position being "minor" and 1st position being "major", it is certainly correct to say "In 3rd position, it is infinitely easier to paly a (dorian) minor scale than it is to do so in 1st position" and vice versa. So perhaps it's best to acknowledge that each position can do something better/easier than all other positions, and then to refer to it by that thing (ie. call 3rd the "Dorian" position, etc.). I've certainly got some music-theory-for-harp books that do so.
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And as an aside (and without intent to descend into trival bickering), I agree with Mick that adding a few paragraph breaks (which, in this simple-text style forum, means hitting enter two times) into one's posts makes the reading of those posts infinitely easier. The "big blocks" are worsened by the fact that you cannot indent in this forum, so even if you hit enter at the end of a paragraph, it often does nothing to break up the flow. I sometimes have to skip over such large blocks of text because it is too difficult to read them.
Of course, this forum being as free-form as it is, it is entirely up to the individual poster to decide his/her posting style. I, for one, will strive to make my long posts as easy to read as possible, since I want those posts to be actually read.
Cheers and harp love to EVERYONE,
~Isaac
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blogward
73 posts
Jan 27, 2010
12:23 PM
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Best way is to (get off the internet and) practise until you don't have to THINK about whether it's '4D', 3B' or whatever. Know the harp, and it will tell you where you should go.
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hvyj
110 posts
Jan 27, 2010
10:10 PM
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You know, i was out playing tonight and I decided to use fourth position on a tune i usually play in fifth position. i didn't think about it, i just played it. I sounded fine and felt comfortable. Just had to remember to drop draw 3 a whole step when i was down in the lower register.
Except for that bend, fourth is actually pretty easy. Hard to hit a really bad note. Maybe not a great blues position, but terrific for jazz and other natural minor material.
When you play fourth, you are playing the relative minor of the key the harp is in which uses the same scale (same notes) of that key, just starting on a different note for root. So it's actually a straight harp position because by playing the relative minor, you are, for all practical purposes, playing the harp in the key it's in.
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nacoran
898 posts
Jan 27, 2010
11:13 PM
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Isaac- Paragraphs are good. I've got something related to dyslexia and big long blocks of text, especially without punctuation are a brutal for me, but I also have a hard time keeping people straight. Sometimes a those unique styles help me remember who is who! It's getting so I can tell people just by how or what they right about.
Of course, problems with grammar and punctuation can also be a sign of things like dyslexia, so I try to soldier through (and keep my spell checker on).
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congaron
477 posts
Jan 28, 2010
7:33 AM
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"When you play fourth, you are playing the relative minor of the key the harp is in which uses the same scale (same notes) of that key, just starting on a different note for root. So it's actually a straight harp position because by playing the relative minor, you are, for all practical purposes, playing the harp in the key it's in."
Exactly, and makes it a no-brainer for me if we are in a minor key. You get it all, chords, scales, blow-bends...just like first position blues.
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jawbone
250 posts
Jan 28, 2010
8:01 AM
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I'm getting worried about poor vicar88 - he's going to be thinking we've got more positions than the Kama sutra!!!! And he's going to be thinking, I can't do this with a minor!!! ;-)
(Just some light hearted humour - we had a crappy rehearsal last nite and I'm trying to make myself feel better)
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If it ain't got harp - it ain't really blues!!!!
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hvyj
111 posts
Jan 28, 2010
11:27 AM
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@congaron: Yes, but the only blow bend you can use in Fourth is on the 8 hole (gives you the flat fifth). Using the other blow bends will take you out of natural minor tonality.
The only draw bends you can use in Fourth are 2''(for flat sixth) and 3'' (for root). Using the others will take you out of natural minor tonality.
But otherwise, yeah, it's pretty much like playing in First. It's a straight harp position.
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shanester
85 posts
Jan 28, 2010
1:38 PM
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@isaacullah: oooh, "quixotic layout", I like that! I think that's what brought me to the harp in the first place!
Anything quixotic is OK in my book!
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nacoran
906 posts
Jan 28, 2010
3:14 PM
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Shanester- That quixotic layout nearly drove me mad. Until I got used to it I kept trying to figure out how to import a Japanese harmonica I'd seen that is laid out with two rows of notes, like the keys on a piano. I even sent an email to Tombo but no one ever got back to me. (I think Suzuki makes a couple harps like this too but they are really expensive.)
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shanester
86 posts
Jan 28, 2010
5:14 PM
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Nacoran, just curious, was a keyboard your first exposure to music. I envy that training because it seems to be such a great platform for understanding music theory, it certainly is what almost everyone who has had training refers to!
I know what you mean about the layout. I got harmonicas every now and then for gifts as a kid. I got frustrated, probably heard Butterfield or Little Walter some where and wondered how they were doing that and mine could only play lame shit like Mary Had a Little Lamb! Eventually I figured out that they were tuned to the major scale and I kind of discredited them, and all other diatonically tuned folk instruments.
Finally, in my mid 20's, I was roommates with this bizarre older harp player that played really badass melodic country lines in my girlfriend at the time's alt-bluegrass band. He told me a little about note bending and how to do it but all in all was pretty guarded about his harp knowledge (I ended up dating some of the young ladies he invited over, he probably resented that!) Still I realize now that I owe him a lot, maybe I'll run into him again, and I can thank him properly!
Now, there is just something about the richter...chroms are way cool and I may check them out some day but nothing can throw a fit like a diatonic harp! In my heart, I come to the Blues as a rocker and the diatonic can rock!
I started teaching myself guitar in my twenties, I'm probably a decent rhythm player but I never felt like I could express myself melodically with it, then about a year ago, I took a couple of tarnished beat up harps with me to Baton Rouge to work, googled harp one night, and found Adam's videos, and woodshed late into the night after night in my aunt-in-law's bathroom, while she slept without her hearing aid!
Something clicked and I have never turned back, I get out the guitar, uke, and banjo once in a blue moon, but I have chosen the harp like a samurai chooses his sword, and it pulls me forward, I have a long road to hoe to become my version of a harp master! I have also declared in this journey that I will avoid alternative tunings for a long, long time, maybe forever.
There is just some kind of magic sparking and crackling within the illusionary limitations of that "quixotic layout"!
Whew, I feel better! Thanks for giving me the opportunity to share that!
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hvyj
115 posts
Jan 28, 2010
5:28 PM
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@shanester: I'm with you. I play in minor keys all the time and I always use standard Richter tuned harps. I sort of think that it would be cheating to use a minor tuned harp. But that's probably a narrow minded attitude on my part.
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